Rosario Incognito - Birth Record

[ItalianbellaSA]

Happy Mother's Day!
I found my great-grandfather, Rosario Incognito's birth record. It is very hard to read. It is Giosia the year 1856. I will upload the Index where he is number 37, however there is a Santo Incognito listed as number 36 - I am thinking maybe he was a twin.
I will upload the two records for Rosario and Santo.

I thank you in advance for your time. Any information you can give me would be greatly appreciated. I would like the date and his parents name, if possible.

Index:
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Rosario Birth Record Number 37:

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Santo Birth Record Number 36:
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[liviomoreno]

Rosario Incognito, aged 44, peasant Farmer, residing in Patti, born in Gioiosa Marea to unknown parents, husband of Carmela Cappadona, died in Patti , Contrada Mulinello, on DEc 21 1900, at 2:00PM.

The birth record 36 is for a female, Santa, born to parents unknown

[ItalianbellaSA]

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I am sorry, somehow I uploaded his death record. Above is the birth record for Rosario Incognito. It is number 37 in the records and number 36 was for a Santo Incognito. Since they are so close in the records, could they be twins?

Also, if parents are listed as "unknown" does that mean it is the end of my research for this part of the family tree or is there some other way of searching for the parents?

Thank you again.

[liviomoreno]

Yes, I believe that Rosario and Santa were twins: they were presented to the town hall the same day (march 25) at the same time (4:00pm) by the same woman, Felicia Bora, who was in charge of the foundling wheel (profession "Ruotara").

Unfortunately you reached a dead end, Felicia was (maybe) the only person who might have had any info on their parents..

[ItalianbellaSA]

Thank you Livio:

Oh my, how interesting and so sad. It means that these twin babies were abandoned by their mother? Do you know if Santa was female? I thought if the name ends in a it is female. Also, one other question, the surname - Incognito. Do you think that was the actual name of the family or maybe in the foundling - because they didn't know the surname they just put "incognito" (which in Italian means "unknown")?

[liviomoreno]

Yes, as I said in my previous post (http://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/p ... ml#p180769) Santa is a female. Not all the names ending in a are female, for instance Luca, Nicola, Andrea are male.
"Incognito", which, as you said, means "unknown" is a typical surname that was given to children that were abandoned.
What is weird in these two documents (#36 and #37) is that on the right side, where the baptism is recorded, the two babies are indicated as Santa Incognito Cicerone and Rosario Incognito Coclite.

[Italysearcher]

Livio, is it possible since those 'surnames' were added by the priest they are the names of the 'wet nurses'? Or surnames given by the priest?
On the records I have seen (not Sicily) babies thought to be twins (left together) were indicated as such on the record and received the same surname.

[liviomoreno]

Livio, is it possible since those 'surnames' were added by the priest they are the names of the 'wet nurses'? Or surnames given by the priest?
On the records I have seen (not Sicily) babies thought to be twins (left together) were indicated as such on the record and received the same surname.

I don't know, Cicerone is found as surname in Sicily but not in the province of Messina and Coclite is not found as a surname in Sicily.
Any conclusion could be true or false, I do not see any clue that could help

[ItalianbellaSA]

Wow! This is so interesting. Thanks again for your thoughts and comments. This is so much to take in and digest. Any other thoughts would be appreciated.

[liviomoreno]

Both Cicerone and Coclite are ancient Roman names
Horatius Cocles (Cocles = with only one eyes) was a famous Roman hero in the IV century BC http://gsndev.org/archives/webs/citrag/ ... lg_002.htm
Marcus Tullius Cicero was a Roman philosopher, statesman, lawyer, orator, political theorist, Roman consul and constitutionalist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero

[ItalianbellaSA]

Hi everyone! I know that this is an old post of mine, but I started looking over some old research to see if I overlooked anything. I found a death record for a Santa Incognito and this record also documents Felica Bora, who is noted in their (Rosario and Santa) birth record. I believe this is probably a death record for Santa Incognito. What do you think? Also, does this record give any further information about her birth?

Here is the link to the record:

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

Also, can anyone please translate the words after domiciliato......addolorata? Thank you in advance for your time.

Sue Antista

[ItalianbellaSA]

I just thought of something else. Please let me know if it mentions anything about the surnames that the priest might have given them (Rosario Incognito Codite and Santa Incognito Cicerone).

Sue

[Biff83]

The record states that Santa Incognito, 1 month 6 days old, of unknown parents, died in the house of Felicia Bora the Ruotara on 27 Apr 1856. I don't see any clues to the parents' names.

I'm not sure what the phrase domiciliato guaritico dell'addorata means; possible living with the healer of the aggrieved (Felicia Bora).

Biff

[erudita74]

quartiere dell'Addolorata

[ItalianbellaSA]

I know this is an old post. However, I found that my great grandfather, Rosario Incognito, was married to Carmela Sciammetta. I found her death record which states she was the wife of Rosario Incognito. I wanted to find their marriage record so I can then look to see if they had any children. I found a marriage record dated June 25, 1882, which states that Carmela Sciametta was married to Rosario Coclite. The ages match and the names of Carmela's parents are correct. It also correctly states that Rosario was born in Giosoia Marera. I then remembered this post where someone translated Rosario Incognito's birth record (see above posts). Sure enough Coclite surname is mentioned! This has to be the record, buy why would Rosario's last name be Coclite? In every other record his surname is Incognito? Here are links to the records:

Marriage Record of Rosario Coclite and Carmela Sciametta:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946858

Birth Record of Concetta Coclite:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946858

Death Record of Carmela Sciammetta:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946858

Marriage Record of Rosario Incognito and Carmela Cappadona:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946858

I am confused, to say the least, how he could go from Incognito to Coclite! Any information to help me clear up this mystery would be appreciated. As always, I thank you all in advance for any and all your help and time.

Sue Antista
ItalianBella SA