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Need translation of birth record for Pasquale Salvatore Vincenzo Parziale

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Birth No 779: Pasquale Salvatore Vincenzo Parziale

San Ferdinando: 3 October 1855, 11 am
Appearing before the official was Francesco Parziale, from Napoli, 33 yo, Vaccaro (cowboy/herdsman), living Strada Speranzella, No 86, to present a baby boy and report that he was born from himself and Vincenza Amore, from Napoli, 28 yo, his legitimate wife, living with him, on 2 October 1855 at 9 am. The baby was named Pasquale Salvatore Vincenzo and on the right side of the page it says that he was baptised on 3 October 1855 in the parish of Sant'Anna di Palazzo

Note on Second Page: Pasquale Parziale on 3 February 1881 contracted marriage in ? S. Lorenzo with Angela Perna.

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Very happy to help. I'm just a little bit mythed as to what comes before S. Lorenzo? Hopefully someone else with fresh eyes will know what it is.

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I believe there is the abbreviation for the word Sezione before S. Lorenzo as the place for the marriage.

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Thanks, Erudita. I believe you are correct. I knew that it was probably something like that and was thinking of the word Quartiere and trying to make the abbreviation look like that. It definitely starts with an "S". Suffering from "fuzzy brain" here - too much on my mind.

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You're welcome, Angela. The abbreviation is Sez in the record.
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erudita74 wrote: 28 Aug 2017, 23:15 You're welcome, Angela. The abbreviation is Sez in the record.
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AngelaGrace56 wrote: 28 Aug 2017, 23:25
erudita74 wrote: 28 Aug 2017, 23:15 You're welcome, Angela. The abbreviation is Sez in the record.
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mmogno wrote: 29 Aug 2017, 00:15
AngelaGrace56 wrote: 28 Aug 2017, 23:25
erudita74 wrote: 28 Aug 2017, 23:15 You're welcome, Angela. The abbreviation is Sez in the record.
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Grazie! So what is the difference (in Italia), exactly, between Sezione - Section and Quartiere - District (sometimes referred to as neighbourhood)?

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I've been trying to find the answer to your question about the difference between a sezione and a quartiere.
In some of the literature, I see the terms used interchangeably. I am understanding that today the city of Naples is divided into dodici sezioni which are called quartieri. In the past though-I found a reference from 1807 in which the city was divided into 12 quartieri and 48 sezioni (but no further explanation is given), but then I found an 1833 reference which says that cinque sezioni will form un quartiere. So I'm making the inference that, in the early part of the 19th century, a quartiere was comprised of multiple sezioni. It seems that these were autonomous as well-with their own elected officials, etc. Hopefully one of our native Italian friends on the forum can shed more light on the differences between the terms. If I find anything more definitive, I will post it.
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Erudita,

Thank you so much for taking the time to research this for me. I really appreciate it. It's just so different to what I'm use to in my own town.

I have one totally unrelated question, you may be able to help with:

If a doctor from Southern Italia (late 1800's) “was a surgeon in military hospitals in Italia”, would that necessarily mean that he was in the military himself, or not? He initially graduated from the “Royal University of Naples” so maybe not?

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In the record, sezione is used for S. Lorenzo in the city of Naples , but today quartiere is used for it. Possibly due to a change in the boundaries of the area, or rezoning, over the years? Or maybe sezione is just an archaic term?

As to your question about the surgeon working at a military hospital-offhand, I don't know. I would assume he was in the military, but really don't know for sure. This will require some research.

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erudita74 wrote: 30 Aug 2017, 16:53 Angela
In the record, sezione is used for S. Lorenzo in the city of Naples , but today quartiere is used for it. Possibly due to a change in the boundaries of the area, or rezoning, over the years? Or maybe sezione is just an archaic term? Interesting and perplexing, as these things often are, thank you for following up, Erudita.

As to your question about the surgeon working at a military hospital-offhand, I don't know. I would assume he was in the military, but really don't know for sure. This will require some research. Thank you for getting back to me about this. He was born before compulsory military service, but I'll write away and see if he had a military record.

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I guess "Sezione" (and also "Circondario") has an administrative meaning, related to the organization of the Offices of the City. "Quartiere" is used to mean an homogeneous area of the town. A "sezione", of course, must have fixed "boundaries" at every fixed time, while for a "Quartiere" they can be fuzzier.
Of course, depending on administrative decisions/necessities, from an abstract point of view, a Sezione can coincide with one or more Quartieri, or be set up from parts of Quartieri.
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