Muglia family

[cgammaro]

Oh, one more thing, SAMMARCO Maria Carolina probably died in Italy, and I suppose that she died maybe in the same city that her son was born. She didn't came to Brazil it seems, she was not in the Immigrant Hostelry Records where I found father and son, neither I found the death record in Brazil.

She had a brother (same mother and father). Pasquale Sammarco born in 10 Setembro 1953. Maybe that helps somehow.

SIAS Code IT-ASCS-F680258
Ufficio Leva della Provincia di Cosenza, Enlistment year 1853.Volume number 25,
document number - page 251 section -
Pasquale Sammarco, enlisted on --/--/----
born on 10/09/1853 to SAN LUCIDO
son/daughter of Francesco Sammarco and of Maria Giuseppe Scorza

[Tessa78]

While searching for a death for Maria Carolina Sammarco (wife of Salvatore Gammaro and mother of Domenico Gammaro) I found this Parte II death transcription (#9 - bottom of the page and the two pages following) which the local official in San Lucido entered into the register of deaths in 1896. Appearing before the official was Carolina Sammarco, 39, daughter of Francesco, and wife of Salvatore Gammaro, with a notarized death notice from Brazil of the death of her husband, Salvatore Gammaro, age 40, on 18 May 1895.
It is lengthy...
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043464


AND***
Here is the death act of Francesco Gammaro, the widower of Rosa Verri [and father of Salvatore Gammaro]
in 1909 at age 92.
He was the son of deceased Luigi [Gammaro] and of deceased Saveria Iannuzzi.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043464

T.

[cgammaro]

OMG Tessa78, regarding the death transcription, so indeed she didn't came to Brazil but wasn't dead, and was still living in Italy when the husband died. Indeed this Salvatore is the one, I can't read italian but in some parts I can see Santa Ifigênia which is the exact district where Salvatore died, and that Domenico lived until he died.

I have to be honest I'm almost crying with these findings.

[Tessa78]

OMG Tessa78, regarding the death transcription, so indeed she didn't came to Brazil but wasn't dead, and was still living in Italy when the husband died. Indeed this Salvatore is the one, I can't read italian but in some parts I can see Santa Ifigênia which is the exact district where Salvatore died, and that Domenico lived until he died.

I have to be honest I'm almost crying with these findings.

Happy to have helped!

EDIT TO ADD***

Here is what I can see in the record...
Appearing on 18 May 1895 was Domenico Gambaro (later this is referenced as Gammaro) to petition a registration of death for his father Salvatore Gambaro (recte) Gammaro, age 40, Italian, spouse of Carolina Sammarco Gambaro. The declarant, age 18, testified that he was a "vittima di gastro-lupatite" as attested to by Dr. Felizaido Cavalheino(sp?) , and was buried in the cemetery of this city.
I am no sure, but I think it states that Domenico was an only son, and that his father died in January of that year.


T.

[cgammaro]

Exactly, Salvatore died in 8 January 1895, I have his death record myself that I obtained in the Santa Ifigênia district. So indeed we are in the right track but then If Salvatore and Maria Carolina were living in San Lucido when they married, and when she communicated that Salvatore died she was in San Lucido still, then where is the birth record of Domenico, it should be in San Lucido right? If he was 18 years old, then he was born in 1877 before his parents married?

So the history goes like this based on the findings:

1853 Salvatore Fortunato Gammaro is born in San Lucido
1879 Salvatore get married to Maria Carolina Sammarco in San Lucido
187?-188? Domenico is born in ??? city
1888 Salvatore and Domenico arrive in Sao Paulo - Brazil, documents say he is 10 years old, born in 1877-1878?
1895 Salvatore died in Sao Paulo, Domenico is about 18 years old.
1895 Maria Carolina goes to comune San Lucido to inform about death of husband, her son informs that Salvatore died in Sao Paulo.
1902 Domenico get married to Rosa Muglia (Carmela Rosina Muglia)
1904-1908 they have 3 children
1921 Domenico died

[Tessa78]

Exactly, Salvatore died in 8 January 1895, I have his death record myself that I obtained in the Santa Ifigênia district. So indeed we are in the right track but then If Salvatore and Maria Carolina were living in San Lucido when they married, and when she communicated that Salvatore died she was in San Lucido still, then where is the birth record of Domenico, it should be in San Lucido right? If he was 18 years old, then he was born in 1877 before his parents married?

So the history goes like this based on the findings:

1853 Salvatore Fortunato Gammaro is born in San Lucido
1879 Salvatore get married to Maria Carolina Sammarco in San Lucido
187?-188? Domenico is born in ??? city
1888 Salvatore and Domenico arrive in Sao Paulo - Brazil, documents say he is 10 years old, born in 1877-1878?
1895 Salvatore died in Sao Paulo, Domenico is about 18 years old.
1896 - 6 September - Maria Carolina goes to comune San Lucido to inform about death of husband, her son informs that Salvatore died in Sao Paulo.
1902 Domenico get married to Rosa Muglia (Carmela Rosina Muglia)
1904-1908 they have 3 children
1921 Domenico died

Just made a correction to the date of the Parte II record when Carolina appeared before the official in San Lucido.

I have checked and rechecked the birth acts in San Lucido from 1877-1882. I have not found Domenico.
I have checked other Gammaro births, and looked for a Sammarco birth (just in case).

T.

[cgammaro]

omg so what could have happened? Domenico is their son and italian, what could we possible do to find his birth record?

[Tessa78]

omg so what could have happened? Domenico is their son and italian, what could we possible do to find his birth record?

This one is a LONG-SHOT, but keep it in your files...
I located ONE Gammaro male birth in 1877 in San Lucido. The child was the son of Raffaela Gammaro (27) and an unknown father. I have no idea what the relationship might be, or even if this is connected. The stretch would be that the child might be the son of a cousin of Salvatore? (she was the daughter of deceased Antonio) and he chose to raise it, or she died and he took it to raise? The problem is that the child's given name is Giovanni, not Domenico. Like I said... a long-shot, truly.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043464

T.

[cgammaro]

Hummm... Indeed it is a possibility but I hope that is not the one I'm looking for because for citizenship this would be very difficult to prove. I forgot to mention that in the same Immigrant Hostelry a Giovanni Gammaro age 17 registered in the exact same day as Salvatore and Domenico.

Crossing my fingers you find something else, every time a new message arrives my heartbeat goes up like crazy!

[Tessa78]

Hummm... Indeed it is a possibility but I hope that is not the one I'm looking for because for citizenship this would be very difficult to prove. I forgot to mention that in the same Immigrant Hostelry a Giovanni Gammaro age 17 registered in the exact same day as Salvatore and Domenico.

Crossing my fingers you find something else, every time a new message arrives my heartbeat goes up like crazy!

Ahhh, so this could be the Giovanni Gammaro whose birth act I found...
Or it could be this one? Born in 1875 to Antonio Gammaro and Serafina Conti...https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043464
What year was the Hostelry registration?
Can you post the image of the Immigrant Hostelry?


T.

[cgammaro]

Year of the hostelry registration is 1888, 24/02/1888 to be more precise.

http://www.inci.org.br/acervodigital/up ... 08_117.pdf

It is a man, 34 yo in 1888, with his son, 10 yo, Salvatore Gammaro and Domenico Gammaro. "Estado" says C for casado (married) and S for solteiro (single).

Same date 24/02/1888 Giovanni Gammaro was in the accommodation, not sure if they were part of the same family.

http://www.inci.org.br/acervodigital/up ... 08_118.pdf

[Tessa78]

You should write to the comune of San Lucido to request a birth record for Domenico.
You might also request the death of Maria Carolina Sammarco since she appears to have died after 1909/1910, and online records are not available for those years...

Send your photo ID with the request, and an email address should they need to contact you.

Address:
Ufficio dello Stato Civile
Via Filippo Giuliani
87038 San Lucido (CS)
ITALY

T.

[jennabet]

This is all starting to sound rather bizarre to me. Are you sure Maria Carolina gave birth to this boy? If I know Italian mothers like I think I do, it would be unusual for a mother to allow the father of the child to take him away from her and to another country at the young age of 10. My own great-grandmother did not accompany my great-grandfather to America. When her sons were old enough (my grand-father age 16) they went to America to join their father on their own. And the two youngest children, a boy and a girl never left their mother.

Again, I don't think Maria Carolina gave birth to this boy, Domenico. He was either a foundling that her husband adopted and took to Brazil or he is the son of the father that he had with another woman and this is probably the reason Maria Carolina didn't accompany him to Brazil.

[jennabet]

by cgammaro » November 7th, 2017, 2:05 pm

cgammaro said: "Samaritano Gammaro Domenico had 3 children, all their birth records refer to him as Samaritano Gammaro or Samaritano Gammaro Domenico, and none of them have the name of their grandmother, grandfather is mentioned as Salvatore Gammaro."

And that is because Maria Carolina is not the mother of Domenico. Domenico's birth certificate is filed under his mother's family name because she could not name the father of her child as he was either her blood relative or a married man. Not at all uncommon during those years in southern Italy.

[cgammaro]

Hi jennabet,

I haven't updated this topic with the latest findings about the 3 children of Domenico and Rosa, even though the first 2 children didn't had the name of Maria Carolina on it, the last one had it, it is the birth of Thereza in 1908, it says grandparents from Thereza are Maria Carolina and Salvatore. I completely forgot about that.

So I think the best option here is that Domenico was born somewhere out of San Lucido, near but not the same city as his parents.

Regards,
Cesar