I'm stuck in Argentina - Finding relatives

[suanj]

Riguardo alle liste di Leva vanno in base all'anno di nascita, quindi devi cercare quella del 1879 ossia dei nati del 1879.. e di Catania sono on line, non so se ci siano anche della provincia ma penso solo della città di Catania. per cui per Vito occorre scrivere all'archivio di stato di Catania e loro la cercheranno nella lista di leva dei nati nel 1910 che si sarà tenuta verso il 1929.. ma ovviamente non sapendo a quale distretto militare appartenga Macchie non so all'archivio lo sanno… più che queste fonti e le altre riguardo ad eventuale censimento del 1921 o censimento comunale che pure venivano fatti e al Foglio di Famiglia non so che dire… dove poter cercare più.. Certamente Innocenzio ha plagiato Grazia.. e chissà pure come sono andati davvero i fatti se la cosa è stata consenziente o meno.. chi lo sa….
saluti,
suanj

[Adenet89]

I understand but the children was legitimated by their parents, recognized by their parents, they had the surname Grimaldi.
And since they had a passport to travel, the only explanation is that they had the cumulative passport, that happened, when the minors traveling with their mother or father and so only the children first name was mentioned on. The transcript then on the boarding /disembarking lists clearly copied the surname appearing on the passport.
Similar cases also on the ship's manifest in the USA, when the children traveled with their mother and mother had only one passport but with all the names of the family members.

But in Italy the surname of children was Grimaldi. In Italy the first and main document is the Birth record. All documents ( marriage, Death, ID card, military service, citizenship, residence certificate, family sheet etc etc) referring Always to Birth record.
So no doubts abt the civil marriage and children in Italy.
Innocenzio was a foundling no a orphan, I checked searching abt the parent's names and appearing that he was a child of unknown parents.
Now the mystery is: Why Innocenzio married again in Argentina? And his italian wife and children.. What happened?

Unfortunately, there are no marginal notes on the birth certificates of children, relating to marriage or death, and this almost always suggests that they have emigrated and that they have never returned to Italy.

But Innocenzio remarried in Argentina…
could he do it without to be a true bigamist?
Yes, ( Rachat de crédit et trésorerie)because he married in Italy and he don't send the argentinian marriage certificate in Italy, to file it in the civil records office. And he don't send because in this case he would have been bigamist. Maybe widow? Who know? And the his children?

I believe, second my opinion, that he abandoned the wife and the children, and he remarried in Argentina, and Maria joined or remarried also and the children maybe adopted from stepfather… That was possible because on the argentinian civil records they was no married…

there was a clause that was called "assumption of the del credere" and that was normally used, even if not expressly mentioned, with emigrants abroad, who wanted to marry, and who could not provide necessary documents such as the birth certificate (and I remind you that on the birth certificate all the events of a person's life are recorded, even the renunciation of Italian citizenship, for this there is that space on the side, for the annotations) they provided the generalities by voice, but none he could check if they actually called themselves that way, if the parents actually had that name, and also the age etc ... therefore the host Country believed that the information provided was correct, unless proven otherwise.

If Maria Sorbello and the Grimaldi's children returned in Italy .. well don't returned in Macchia di Giarre( then just Giarre).. because on the Birth records of the children, no one note…
We cannot search more because on line the civil records ending to 1910.... the Catania military records are available on line but until 1923 and so no helpful….
Best regards,
suanj

But I didn't know that Maria Sorbello and the children of Grimaldi returned from Italy?

[parkergambino]

This story is fascinating and presented so well. But sad because hope for a resolution seems small. I am restricted to English, but I use the Google translator, and while this causes some translation amusements, the details of the story can be understood.

I started following because I saw the topic included Argentina. I am interested in locating (if possible) some relatives originating from my grandfather's sister, who migrated to that country. I hope that perhaps Valentino and Paola might provide guidance and insight for this search. I will send you both a private message soon, because the main forum will not be the correct place to continue.

First I will check at the dateas site mentioned by Paola. So it may be several days until my next contact.

Thanking you in advance,

Parker

[ItalianTranslator]

Sure, @parkergambino, feel free to reach out. I don't check the forum often, but you can find several means of contact in my signature/profile.

[CARLOSALBARDIAZ]

Hello everyone,
It's 3 years i'm looking for more data about my relatives. .. Vito Grimaldi(1910).
Valentino Grimaldi

There is a only one Vito Grimaldi with Argentine tax ID number. CUIT is 24-44176614-5. That seems to correspond to a DNI number issued after 2000 to a person born or naturalized in Argentina after 2000.

https://www.dateas.com/es/persona/vito- ... 4441766145

I believe he lives around Ceres, Santa Fe province. Given the uncommon name it is likely that he got it from an ancestor .

Good luck