Cappuccino

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A male who lived in Sicily from 1859 to 1930 was referred to as "Frate" in a photo dated c.1900 with his fellow Cappuccini, but as "sacerdote cappuccino" on his death record in 1930.

Was he likely a religious brother or a priest? Could he have been a brother who became a priest? Is "frate" religious brother or monk?
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Frate is translated in English as 'friar, monk, brother'. Usually (or perhaps always at present) a frate is also a sacerdote (priest). The 'frati' belong to organizations called 'ordini' (orders), each of them has its own rules (ex. : Cappuccini, Francescani, etc.).
So that man was a priest belonging to the order of the 'Frati Cappuccini'.
You may find the word frate also with the meaning of brother (in the usual meaning), but only in old texts or poetry.
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I wonder because the men who reported his death were ordinary lay persons, not clergy or from his religious order, and not relatives. Maybe they guessed "priest" when it should have been "brother".

Here's a photo of him with another one of his Order c.1900. It's very poor quality but it's the only one I have.

He has the big white beard and his name is Frate Francesco da Melilli.

The other one is named P. Luigi Saraceno so I thought maybe the P was for "Padre".

But, they seem to be wearing the same habits.
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The photo is in front of a "convento" in Sicily if that makes a difference.

Did priests live in convents or just monks?
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I found this in the Convent website:

Tra la fine del 1800 e gli inizi del 1900 il convento gode ancora della presenza di P.Luigi Saraceno, che muore nel 1902, e di due frati laici:
Frate Francesco da Melilli (Emanuele Pitruzzello) *1858 +1930
Fra Francesco da Mazzarino

Google translates this as:
Between the late 1800s and early 1900s the convent still enjoyed the presence of Father Luigi Saraceno, who died in 1902, and two lay friars:
Friar Francesco da Melilli (Emanuele Pitruzzello) * 1858 +1930
Fra Francesco da Mazzarino

So, I'm thinking he was a lay friar and his death record recorded "sacerdoto" as a generic term e.g., clergy, religious orders, etc. I suppose there's an outside chance he was "elevated" from a friar to a priest, but I doubt that.
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