Does US Naturalization of Ancestor Disqualify Us?

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afecad wrote: 26 Feb 2021, 17:32
darkerhorse wrote: 26 Feb 2021, 01:33 My father was born in the U.S. before his Sicilian-born father was naturalized as a U.S. citizen.

Does that mean I'm eligible for Italian citizenship but I would have to pass an Italian language test?

If yes, is it written or oral?
Yes, you are eligible. You will have to prove this of course with supporting documentation.
I think there's one more condition. Naturalization must be from Jul 1st, 1912 on.
Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Yeah, that would be okay in my case.
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PippoM wrote: 27 Feb 2021, 09:49
afecad wrote: 26 Feb 2021, 17:32
darkerhorse wrote: 26 Feb 2021, 01:33 My father was born in the U.S. before his Sicilian-born father was naturalized as a U.S. citizen.

Does that mean I'm eligible for Italian citizenship but I would have to pass an Italian language test?

If yes, is it written or oral?
Yes, you are eligible. You will have to prove this of course with supporting documentation.
I think there's one more condition. Naturalization must be from Jul 1st, 1912 on.
Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Yes, I did mention the 1912 rule and it was ruled out.
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You are right! Excuse me, I had not realized that.
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Lot of good information here, thank you!
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Ok, not to beat a dead horse, but this is from the New York Italian Consulate's website:

"Through Descent: from an ancestor born in Italy who was an Italian citizen at the time of the birth of their child. The Italian citizenship would pass through the generations up until the Applicant (the maternal branch could pass on Italian citizenship to children born after January 1, 1948), provided that none of the descendants in the straight line lost/renounced their Italian citizenship, such as through naturalization prior to August 15th, 1992."

Isn't this saying that any Italian immigrant who naturalized before 1992 - and by doing so renounced their Italian citizenship - breaks the line and therefore makes anyone born after them ineligible? Or am I reading that wrong?
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Yes, but.....

There are a lot of nuances. First, naturalizing before 1992 resulted in the loss of Italian citizenship. This was NOT renunciation, however, which could only occur at a consulate.

Yes, naturalization caused citizenship loss, but if the dates worked out, citizenship could have automatically passed to the wife (before 1983) and the line would continue. Also, after 1992, citizenship lost to naturalization could be reacquired and the line reestablished.

Much depended on the sequence of events and on dates.
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So if my immigrant grandfather naturalized after my father was born, and after 1912, I’m still in line for citizenship, yes?
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Gio Zizzo wrote: 05 Mar 2021, 04:25 So if my immigrant grandfather naturalized after my father was born, and after 1912, I’m still in line for citizenship, yes?
Yes, you just need to prove it with supporting documentation.
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