Chromosome painting anomalies

[darkerhorse]

Have you confirmed your father's biological parents?

[MarcuccioV]

As for my mother, I believe the Sicilian/Greek/Anotolian/Levantine that most of the matrixes agree on comes from her father. I have no paper trails going any farther back than to my grandparent's native town, which is in Lazio near Rome. Nothing earlier than the 1870's. Some of the surnames in her tree have roots in Campania, Abruzzo, Puglia and Sicily. Aside from that I don't know, except my grandfather's surname (Mattia) can be found in SW coastal Sicily...

[darkerhorse]

Is this your father?

https://mixedracefaces.com/home/2018/8/ ... ilipino-ja

[MarcuccioV]

Have you confirmed your father's biological parents?

Yes. And I have DNA matches to prove the relationships to each side. He also resembles them both. And the brother on the right in the pic is a dead ringer for my paternal grandfather.

[afecad]

I have extensive documentation on my paternal "Y" side, back to the 1600's. This is reinforced through DNA matches. The surname was 'adopted' in the 1600's to a Dutch one. Those ancestors were born in Germany (near the current Germany/Holland border), but changed to a Dutch surname after immigrating there. I know the German surname (which was short-lived as Germany only developed surnames around 1500) but so far that has hit a dead end also.

While I understand the science is fairly recent, but I don't see how a complete chromosome can be misread (especially when all the others seem dead-on) and another partly so.

Again, I know not to put ALL my eggs into the complexion basket, but looking at family photos of my paternal relatives, my dad and a couple of his brothers (he had 4 brothers) were swarthy-complected, but no one else in the prior generations carry this darker skin (at all). And there is no hanky-panky that I know of as I seem to have DNA matches to all those earlier generations.

So again, not looking at solving it, just wondering what possible scenarios might be...

Reason I suggested more extensive Y-DNA testing is that it goes beyond what 23andme offers in matching the Y-chromosome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiDcjWk4cVI

It's possible that somewhere in your Paternal line your ancestors were part of an invasion or were pulled from one region to another as a slave/captive or pulled into ranks...many possibilities, Vikings, Normans, Romans and Spain.

Another possibility along the chain, was adoption in the chain or child born out of wedlock. My paternal 2nd GGM adopted a fondling in Italy and they both came to the US. She was part of the family, but still retained her birth surname up until death.

[MarcuccioV]

Is this your father?

https://mixedracefaces.com/home/2018/8/ ... ilipino-ja

LOL. That looks almost exactly like my nephew (my B-I_L's son). He is half UK and half Filipino/Spanish. He looks more like me than his father (who is blond/blue-eyed).

Just so happens my wife (it's her brother's son) & I are related around 13-generations back...

[afecad]

As for my mother, I believe the Sicilian/Greek/Anotolian/Levantine that most of the matrixes agree on comes from her father. I have no paper trails going any farther back than to my grandparent's native town, which is in Lazio near Rome. Nothing earlier than the 1870's. Some of the surnames in her tree have roots in Campania, Abruzzo, Puglia and Sicily. Aside from that I don't know, except my grandfather's surname (Mattia) can be found in SW coastal Sicily...

So both you and Mother did 23andme testing? If so, you can separate Father/Mother connections even if you only have one parent who did the test.

[darkerhorse]

It's possible that somewhere in your Paternal line your ancestors were part of an invasion or were pulled from one region to another as a slave/captive or pulled into ranks...many possibilities, Vikings, Normans, Romans and Spain.

I agree that the British have had their long fingers everywhere over the past centuries.

I suspect your father and his siblings are just the product of a mixed European background, with nothing exotic or untoward in their family tree. Just random genetics at play.

As my mother would say, your father looks like....himself.

[afecad]

Photos are hard for me to say if someone is of obvious ancestry, some photos are obvious but when you are of European ancestry it's hard to tell because of all the invasions. The almond shaped eyes easily could tie into what's common in Scandinavia and Northern Europe, that is the epicanthic fold, which was common in my Dutch/German line and my father had it.

[MarcuccioV]

No, she passed in 1992. That info is based on 23&Me's matrix and the surname research I have done...

All the matrices I've uploaded to agree for the most part as far as ethnic makeup for the Italian side.

[MarcuccioV]

The epicanthic fold info makes sense, since there is Dutch/German ancestry, albeit more distant.

[MarcuccioV]

Also my Y haplogroup is the R-Z19 subclade of RM-269. Z19 has it's originations in Finland.

[darkerhorse]

Isn't that fold most prevalent in Asia and in American Indians?

[afecad]

No, she passed in 1992. That info is based on 23&Me's matrix and the surname research I have done...

All the matrices I've uploaded to agree for the most part as far as ethnic makeup for the Italian side.

Sorry to hear that. My Father passed in 1988 but my mother is still living, she agreed to do 23andme and connected with me to her data. Reason I was able to see her breakdown and how it compared to mine, it also allowed me to see what came from her and my father, even though he was never tested.

I was only left with Y-DNA testing to figure out my father's side beyond autosomal, since all of his male siblings were deceased. 23andme autosomal did link relatives who tested, but none one with the same surname, only FTDNA did that since there's a group connecting the surname.

[afecad]

Isn't that fold most prevalent in Asia and in American Indians?

Yes, they call it "hooded" in Europe, Scandinavians have it and it's seen in many Europeans in general.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... g_2008.jpg