Location of death record for Provvidenza Damiani

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Re: Location of death record for Provvidenza Damiani

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scraig32 wrote: 23 Jun 2021, 23:23 Hi Angela- I was trying to insert the links to death & marriage records for the children as you suggested. However, it said there were too many links in the message, so I will try here. Hopefully this is easier to look at any way. So here is what I have found since the last time you helped me with this post. I’m trying to piece together the Napolitano family. This is what I have so far.

Husband: Nicolo Napolitano, tailor
B:abt 1755
D: November 27, 1817 (got this from son Angelo’s marriage banns- see below)

Wife: Provvidenza Damiani I read Damiano
B: abt 1767- 1772 Palermo
D: January 3, 1832 60 yo (1772)
Father: deceased Fillipo Damiano, Mother: deceased Rosa

Death http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

Children:

Angelo Giuseppe Antonino Emmanuele Napolitano
B: abt 1787 ( Provvidenza would have been 15-20 yrs, Giuseppe 32 yrs.)
D: 4 October (not 14), 1847 (not 1839) age 60. S. Cristina, tailor (born c. 1787 which is correct as per his Baptism Record in his marriage to Maria Pitri).
Parents were deceased Nicolo' Napolitano e deceased Provvidenza, her surname is not given.


Death http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

If I am reading correctly, his death act lists his 1st wife Antonina Franco. I don't think it is Franco. I'm reading Antonina Facto'?

2nd Marriage: S. Cristina, 1823 to Maria Pitri.

Marriage http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... 6.jpg.html

This was a helpful document because I think it located for me the Nicolo Napolitano that you have been helping me to find. This says that Nicolaus Napolitano, father of the groom, died November 27, 1817 at the age of 62. The groom is a tailor, the father is a tailor. Nicolo’s other 2 sons are also tailors. Fantastic find!!! It mentions Provvidenza??? I don't read Damiano there. Maybe someone else can clarify: http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

The next record included with the processetti is the death record of the paternal grandfather:
Antonino Napolitano of Palermo, husband of Grazia Franco, 34 yo .....
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0


Giuseppe Napolitano (twin?)
B: abt 1793 Palermo (Provvidenza 21-26 yrs, Nicolo 38 yrs)
D: July 10, 1853, age 60, tailor, Oreto. Parents are deceased. Wife Ignasia Gemma

Death
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

I could not find Giuseppe & Ignasia’s marriage because I believe they were married much before 1820.

Giovanna Napolitano (twin?)
B: abt 1793 Palermo
D: December 12, 1852, age 59, Santa Ninfa, parents deceased, spouse Giovanni Battista Carloccio. Note that Giovanna and Giovanni both have the titles of Don and Donna

Death http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

I haven’t looked yet for her marriage, but will do so.

Vincenzo Napolitano
B: abt 1800 (Provvidenza 28-33 yrs, Nicolo 45 yrs)
D: January 25, 1833, age 33, Santa Ninfa, tailor, parents alive ( which we think may not be correct) It doesn't look like Vincenzo was married as the record says he was "libero" (free) so not married. It seems that either the clerk or the guys who registered the death may have omitted to record that the parents were deceased?

Death
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

No marriage document for Vincenzo at this time. Will look soon to determine if he was single or widowed at time of death. Refer to my note above about Vincenzo being unmarried.

Maria Anna Napolitano
***(this is the one who is the illegitimate daughter of the Prince of Castleforte, Salvatore Massa. So I am still trying to connect all of the dots as to how the death index attributes Provvidenza Damiani and Nicolo Napolitano as being her parents.
B: abt 1803 (would love to find this to see who is listed as parents
D: September 23, 182, age 18 Sant’ Agata- can not find this actual document because the records stop in July 1823. Only the index is available

Marriage: to Antonino Perez probably around 1819 at the time of their daughter’s birth, Ippolita Perez- who received some “goods” from the Prince of Castleforte at her birth. He was also her godfather. Can’t find this marriage record bc it is before 1820

I sure would love to know how Maria Anna, illegitimate daughter of the prince, came to live with Provvidenza and Nicolo Napolitano. But for now, I am working on piecing together the family that she lived with, the Napolitanos.

I hope I have not left anything out. If so, I will add it soon.
You've done great work here, Suzanne. Well done. I have just made a few corrections here and there. It may need some more tweaking. Someone else may take a look. I haven't checked your dob estimations as yet. It is such a pity that the civil records for Palermo, viewable online, start at 1820. So interesting - most of these people died at age 60? Is it possibile for me to see your tree. If you would rather not share it that is fine - no compulsion, or you could just send it to me via private message here on the forum.

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AngelaGrace56 wrote: 24 Jun 2021, 07:06
scraig32 wrote: 23 Jun 2021, 23:23 ...
This was a helpful document because I think it located for me the Nicolo Napolitano that you have been helping me to find. This says that Nicolaus Napolitano, father of the groom, died November 27, 1817 at the age of 62. The groom is a tailor, the father is a tailor. Nicolo’s other 2 sons are also tailors. Fantastic find!!! It mentions Provvidenza??? ...vir Providentiae... I don't read Damiano there. Maybe someone else can clarify: http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

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Angela- THANK YOU for all of the great corrections! I appreciate you taking the time to look at all of those documents. Yes, it is such a shame that Palermo records are not available before 1820!!! I need them so much! Maybe someday. Yes, it’s weird that many died at exactly 60. Interesting also about Giovanni and Giovanna with the titles Don and Donna. I totally missed that! Thank you. Will definelty look for their marriage record if after 1820, of course.
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mmogno wrote: 24 Jun 2021, 14:28 @AngelaGrace56
AngelaGrace56 wrote: 24 Jun 2021, 07:06
scraig32 wrote: 23 Jun 2021, 23:23 ...
This was a helpful document because I think it located for me the Nicolo Napolitano that you have been helping me to find. This says that Nicolaus Napolitano, father of the groom, died November 27, 1817 at the age of 62. The groom is a tailor, the father is a tailor. Nicolo’s other 2 sons are also tailors. Fantastic find!!! It mentions Provvidenza??? ...vir Providentiae... I don't read Damiano there. Maybe someone else can clarify: http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

Angela


Thank you mmogno for taking a look for us. I know this document is in Latin, so a follow question would be does “vir” refer to widow in Latin- his widow Provvidenza?
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scraig32 wrote: 24 Jun 2021, 15:30
mmogno wrote: 24 Jun 2021, 14:28 @AngelaGrace56
AngelaGrace56 wrote: 24 Jun 2021, 07:06
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Thank you mmogno for taking a look for us. I know this document is in Latin, so a follow question would be does “vir” refer to widow in Latin- his widow Provvidenza?

@mmogno

Thankyou! Can you please translate the complete record to English - just the handwritten words, that is.


@scraig32

"vir" means "husband of"

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I remembered I didn't finish translating Antonino Napolitano's Death Record. I'm not confident with Church Records but this is what I am understanding:

Death Antonino Napolitano of Palermo .... husband of Grazia Franco, 34 yo, equipped with the Holy Sacraments died on 9 May 1797 and was buried in the Cemetary.
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

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Hi again Suzanne

Not sure if you have read my two previous posts here.

Anyways, just wanting to alert you to a post that you may not have seen. It is by a man named Dave Broughton who has access to info from a family heirloom concerning the Di Stefano family. It is a record of births/marriages/burials from mid 1600s to circa 1930’s. He is happy to share info with you. It is worth following up if you haven’t already. There just may be the information in there that will help you solve some of your mysteries concerning Ippolita Perez and her family.

https://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/ ... ez#p267441


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AngelaGrace56 wrote: 24 Jun 2021, 20:34 ...
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Thankyou! Can you please translate the complete record to English - just the handwritten words, that is.
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Anno Domini millesimo octingentesimo decimo septimo 1817
Die videsima septima Mensis Novembris
(Nico)laus Napolitano ann(orum) 62 vir Providentiae Sacr(amenti)s ref(ectu)s hodie obiit, et sepultus (fuit in) Campo Sancto in Sacello Sancti Angeli Custodis.


On November 27, 1817 Nicola Napolitano, aged 62, Provvidenza's husband, equipped with the Sacraments, died today and was buried in the holy field, in the sacello of the holy Guardian Angel
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mmogno wrote: 25 Jun 2021, 08:57
AngelaGrace56 wrote: 24 Jun 2021, 20:34 ...
@mmogno
Thankyou! Can you please translate the complete record to English - just the handwritten words, that is.
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Angela
Anno Domini millesimo octingentesimo decimo septimo 1817
Die videsima septima Mensis Novembris
(Nico)laus Napolitano ann(orum) 62 vir Providentiae Sacr(amenti)s ref(ectu)s hodie obiit, et sepultus (fuit in) Campo Sancto in Sacello Sancti Angeli Custodis.


On November 27, 1817 Nicola Napolitano, aged 62, Provvidenza's husband, equipped with the Sacraments, died today and was buried in the holy field, in the sacello of the holy Guardian Angel


Great. Thank you so much, G. I am understanding "holy field" to mean "cemetery". So would anyone have been buried in that area of the cemetery or only certain people?

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Sì: camposanto = cimitero.
Non conosco Palermo. Penso potrebbe essere trattarsi dell'Oratorio dell'Angelo Custode. Forse Nicola Napolitano era un confratello della Congregazione degli Staffieri.
https://www.confraternitepalermo.it/1699-angelo-custode
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mmogno wrote: 25 Jun 2021, 12:40 @AngelaGrace56
Sì: camposanto = cimitero.
Non conosco Palermo. Penso potrebbe essere trattarsi dell'Oratorio dell'Angelo Custode. Forse Nicola Napolitano era un confratello della Congregazione degli Staffieri.
https://www.confraternitepalermo.it/1699-angelo-custode

Thank you. That's is very interesting. So maybe like a "lay order"/"third order" in which they were permitted to be married?

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AngelaGrace56 wrote: 24 Jun 2021, 23:03 I remembered I didn't finish translating Antonino Napolitano's Death Record. I'm not confident with Church Records but this is what I am understanding:

Death Antonino Napolitano of Palermo .... husband of Grazia Franco, 34 yo, equipped with the Holy Sacraments died on 9 May 1797 and was buried in the Cemetary.
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

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AngelaGrace56 wrote: 25 Jun 2021, 01:54 Hi again Suzanne

Not sure if you have read my two previous posts here.

Anyways, just wanting to alert you to a post that you may not have seen. It is by a man named Dave Broughton who has access to info from a family heirloom concerning the Di Stefano family. It is a record of births/marriages/burials from mid 1600s to circa 1930’s. He is happy to share info with you. It is worth following up if you haven’t already. There just may be the information in there that will help you solve some of your mysteries concerning Ippolita Perez and her family.

https://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/ ... ez#p267441


Thank you Angela! Yes, Dave and I have been in contact. He has shared much information with me about Ippolita and family.

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AngelaGrace56 wrote: 25 Jun 2021, 10:55
mmogno wrote: 25 Jun 2021, 08:57
AngelaGrace56 wrote: 24 Jun 2021, 20:34 ...
@mmogno
Thankyou! Can you please translate the complete record to English - just the handwritten words, that is.
...
Angela
Anno Domini millesimo octingentesimo decimo septimo 1817
Die videsima septima Mensis Novembris
(Nico)laus Napolitano ann(orum) 62 vir Providentiae Sacr(amenti)s ref(ectu)s hodie obiit, et sepultus (fuit in) Campo Sancto in Sacello Sancti Angeli Custodis.


On November 27, 1817 Nicola Napolitano, aged 62, Provvidenza's husband, equipped with the Sacraments, died today and was buried in the holy field, in the sacello of the holy Guardian Angel


Great. Thank you so much, G. I am understanding "holy field" to mean "cemetery". So would anyone have been buried in that area of the cemetery or only certain people?

Angela
@mmogno and Angela- thank you both so much for finding and sharing this information! I can’t wait to look at this last link!!!! You both are wonderful!!!!
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mmogno wrote: 25 Jun 2021, 12:40 @AngelaGrace56
Sì: camposanto = cimitero.
Non conosco Palermo. Penso potrebbe essere trattarsi dell'Oratorio dell'Angelo Custode. Forse Nicola Napolitano era un confratello della Congregazione degli Staffieri.
https://www.confraternitepalermo.it/1699-angelo-custode
@mmogno thank you for translating and adding this link! I can’t wait to look at it more in-depth.
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