Marriage Date_1840

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Marriage Date_1840

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Looking for Date (missing) ? of Marriage----see August as month.

Line No.61----no date here

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... d=27548718

Parents--for Michelangelo De Luca
Giovanni--Maria Tesoriero

Parents--for Rosanna Bertuccio
Giuseppe--Bartolomea Tesoriero

Image 123---light/poor)

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

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The marriage promise is dated 6 August 1840 but the marriage didn't take place. Giuseppe Bertuccio, father of the prospective bride was deceased.

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Ok !!!
the first child I found for them was a Michelangelo De Luca b 1847_d 1886
5 children between 1847 > 1858

Marriage search continues !!

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???? Angela

Where was Rosanna Bertuccio born ?__hard to read__

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

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teckat wrote: 24 Sep 2021, 18:46 ???? Angela

Where was Rosanna Bertuccio born ?__hard to read__ Santa Marina

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

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liviomoreno wrote: 24 Sep 2021, 19:54
teckat wrote: 24 Sep 2021, 18:46 ???? Angela

Where was Rosanna Bertuccio born ?__hard to read__ Santa Marina

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

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I'm reading Panaria but it is possibly a mis-spelling of Panarea. Can you link us to 1847 birth record of their son.

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Panarea is a hamlet of Lipari and there are some records on line for Panarea but when I looked previously not a lot.

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1847 birth for Michelangelo not available-on site(Missing) year

1851 for daughter Maria__http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it/v/Archivio+di+Stato+di+Messina/Stato+civile+della+restaurazione/Santa+Marina/Nati/1851/1285/005053740_00106.jpg.html

1855 for son Francesco_http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it/v/Archivio+di+Stato+di+Messina/Stato+civile+della+restaurazione/Santa+Marina/Nati/22_01_1855-31_08_1855/1285/005053740_00152.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=0

1858 for daughter Rosanna _http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it/v/Archivio+di+Stato+di+Messina/Stato+civile+della+restaurazione/Santa+Marina/Nati/1858/1285/005053740_00253.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=0
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Thanks for posting these links.

I guess it is possibile that they did get married in 1840, shortly after the promise of marriage was declared, and that maybe the church details, for whatever reason, were then not annotated … not sure??? It’s a little strange though that their first child wasn’t born until 1847? .... but there may have been miscarriages, or maybe births that weren’t registered, during those years. I don't know.

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Found son Michelangelo, born on 6 Jul 1846 not in 1847.
looking over birth records,now believe surname for family is Di Luca / and not De Luca

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

still searching

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teckat wrote: 26 Sep 2021, 07:10 Found son Michelangelo, born on 6 Jul 1846 not in 1847.
looking over birth records,now believe surname for family is Di Luca / and not De Luca

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

still searching

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I wondered about Michelangelo's birth year because I noticed that the 1847 records were in fact online so I went through them but didn't see a record there for him.

You may find the name Di Luca/De Luca swings a bit. I have the surname in my history and it changes here and there.

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Found this birth record for a Giovanni__1840-8 December

Farher --Michelangelo De luca _b. abt 1816
Mother--Rosanna ???? poor read _b.abt 1816

her age fits-24, his a little off-22

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http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

It's a long shot ??
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teckat wrote: 27 Sep 2021, 05:56 Found this birth record for a Giovanni__1840-8 December

Farher --Michelangelo De luca _b. abt 1816
Mother--Rosanna ???? poor read _b.abt 1816

her age fits-24, his a little off-22

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http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

It's a long shot ??
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Good catch. I believe that there is an error in this birth record. Instead of writing the mother of the baby "Rosanna Bertuccio", they have written her name as Rosanna Tesoriero, which is the surname belonging to both Michelangelo and Rosanna's mothers. This must be the Giovanni who married Maria Concetta.


Birth No 23: Giovanni di Luca
Registered 8 December 1840, Santa Marina Salina
Father: Michelangelo di Luca, 22 yo, proprietario, living in said Contrada who presented a male born from Rosanna Tesoriero, 24 yo, living with him, his legitimate wife. Born the same day as the registration.

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Following on from my previous post, here is a notorised document which I understand is addressing/correcting the error relating to his mother's surname in his birth document. It was amongst Giovanni and Maria Concetta's marriage allegati.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=581209

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That Giovanni on 1887 marriage record is 35 yr old -born in 1852

Point to note; ?
The birth record link above for a Giovanni was from 1840 !

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