1948 Case with Luigi Paiano

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lucaless wrote: 04 Dec 2021, 18:44 To the people that had success with their case, I have a question regarding the documents needed. Did they all have to be original certificates? Do certified copies work? I can imagine how hard it might be to obtain original birth and marriage from family members not wanting to part with their originals even just for the time being. What about their certificates of naturalization? Did documentation from USCIS work if you couldn't get the original certificate? Thanks in advance.
In my case (which is still in process) not one document was "original". I think the term "original" is confusing, there are copies of the original documents, those were used to obtain certified records. Often those are lost, especially after death and the family splits up possessions and family feuds stop all communication.

Also the "original" birth record in Italy is often in a book at the comune, best you can get is a scan from familysearch.org, visit in person and get a copy or take a picture. I saw these books in person last time I was in Italy at one comune my ancestors came from.

For me:

-Birth and Death, certified copies from the state of PA
-Marriage and Naturalization, certified copies from the County in PA.
-USCIS and NARA search, no records found

Not sure what state you are in, but you don't need "originals" from family either alive or deceased.

In my case I had to get my deceased grandfather and great-grandmother's names corrected because they were misspelled.

Again YMMV depending on where your ancestors settled, but within PA it's quite easy to obtain these records for the most part, the smaller counties mine lived in are not all online, so a phone call or snail mail was the only option. ICA pretty much obtained everything for me or gave me clear instructions on what was needed.
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afecad wrote: 06 Feb 2022, 22:24 For me:

-Birth and Death, certified copies from the state of PA
-Marriage and Naturalization, certified copies from the County in PA.
-USCIS and NARA search, no records found

Not sure what state you are in, but you don't need "originals" from family either alive or deceased.

In my case I had to get my deceased grandfather and great-grandmother's names corrected because they were misspelled.

Again YMMV depending on where your ancestors settled, but within PA it's quite easy to obtain these records for the most part, the smaller counties mine lived in are not all online, so a phone call or snail mail was the only option. ICA pretty much obtained everything for me or gave me clear instructions on what was needed.
Did you have any discrepancies in the marriage records? If so, what was ICA's attitude towards them?
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qualdom wrote: 06 Feb 2022, 23:15

Did you have any discrepancies in the marriage records? If so, what was ICA's attitude towards them?
ICA noted a few corrections that were made to my parent's marriage cert. due to some spelling variations, but nothing concerning my grandparents and great-grandparents, the names were spelled correctly believe or not.
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lucaless wrote: 06 Feb 2022, 19:48
Barga1948 wrote: 06 Feb 2022, 03:54 My own case, All my documents from the USA were originals. All of them got apostilles from the DOS, the MN Secretary of State and the MO Secretary of State respectively ( I needed docs from both states and obviously from to the Feds.)

Good luck
This is the conflicting issues, people say the state wont apostille a original, yet you're saying you did.


I am not sure why people are saying that. They MUST go to the Secretary of State of the state the document is issued.

Maybe the issue here is definitions:

Original document is a freshly issued document of the contents of the record book. This is also called Copy of Record. Either way, the document needs to be recently issued and it needs to be Certified by the issuing agency. So, call it what you want. Just make sure is not a Xerox copy someone in the family sent via email. That will definitely not get anywhere.

I am sending a couple of links as examples.
https://www.sos.state.mn.us/notary-apos ... ntication/
https://dos.ny.gov/apostille-or-certifi ... entication
https://www.ilsos.gov/departments/index/apostilles.html
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Does anyone know when the Court closes/ is off for Summer Vacation?

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canzq wrote: 22 Apr 2021, 20:51 Hello everyone

I update my timeline:

March 2018 - When I started collecting all of my ancestors certificates.
21/11/2018 - ISCRIZIONE RUOLO GENERALE
21/11/2018 - ASSEGNAZIONE A SEZIONE
14/03/2019 - DESIGNAZIONE GIUDICE
03/04/2019 - FISSAZIONE UDIENZA DI COMPARIZIONE PARTI
09/05/2019 - ANNOTAZIONE
09/05/2019 - SOSTITUZIONE GIUDICE PER L'UDIENZA
24/03/2020 - DIFFERIMENTO UDIENZA
09/10/2020 - ANNOTAZIONE
18/11/2020 - DEPOSITO ATTO NON CODIFICATO
04/12/2020 - COSTITUZIONE PARTI
07/12/2020 - RISERVA
30/12/2020 - ACCOGLIMIENTO TOTALE
30/12/2020 - ANNOTAZIONE
30/12/2020 - INVIO ATTI ALL'AGENZIA DELLE ENTRATE
15/01/2021 - ANNOTAZIONE

The trial was on December 7th and I was notified on the positive result on December 30th. I was told that the appellate period was 90 business days, which is different from other cases on this forum, which were 1 month or 6 months. The 90 days period ended yesterday, but I was told by my lawyer that "due to the pandemic, the judicial bureaucratic procedures are still delayed".

Has anyone had their appellate period end lately? So I can know more or less of how much delay to expect.

Thanks!
Hello everyone.

I'm sorry that I don't have an answer to previously posted questions, I just wanted to update my timeline:
2021-09-14 - Non-appellation certificate signed.
2021-10-01 - Non-appellation certificate forwared to me by my lawyer.
2022-01-14 - Commune certifies my inscription with the "Acta di nascita" and is forwarded to me the same day by my lawyer.
2022-01-14 - Also on the same day I send my documents for AIRE registration through Fast-It, according to instructions.
2022-02-14 - AIRE application is rejected with the message "VERIFICA FALLITA. SI SARA' GRATO DI RIFARE LA PRATTICA." (No further information was included).
2022-02-25 - I give a phone call to the consulate (Santiago, Chile) and they tell me to forward all the documents via email.
2022-02-28 - I send all the documents via email to the consulate

I'm still waiting to hear back and see what I did wrong :/
Good luck to all.
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rcaldeira wrote: 07 May 2021, 15:31 Buongiornio a tutti!

I have just discovered this blog. Very nice.
Yesterday I have sent all documents to Luigi, so he can start our process.
Hope everything goes well for us too.

Cheers
My timeline:
23/06/2021 - INSCRIZIONE RUOLO GENERALE
23/06/2021 - ANNOTAZIONE
23/06/2021 - ASSEGNAZIONE AUTOMATICA A SEZIONE
23/06/2021 - DESOGNAZIONE AUTOMATICA GIUDICE
30/09/2021 - FISSAZIONE UDIENZA DI COMPARAZIONE PARTI (30/01/2023)
17/03/2022 - ANTECIPAZIONE UDIENZA (now 07/06/2022)
17/03/2022 - ATTO NON CODIFICATO

Cheers
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canzq wrote: 21 Mar 2022, 15:27
canzq wrote: 22 Apr 2021, 20:51 Hello everyone

I update my timeline:

March 2018 - When I started collecting all of my ancestors certificates.
21/11/2018 - ISCRIZIONE RUOLO GENERALE
21/11/2018 - ASSEGNAZIONE A SEZIONE
14/03/2019 - DESIGNAZIONE GIUDICE
03/04/2019 - FISSAZIONE UDIENZA DI COMPARIZIONE PARTI
09/05/2019 - ANNOTAZIONE
09/05/2019 - SOSTITUZIONE GIUDICE PER L'UDIENZA
24/03/2020 - DIFFERIMENTO UDIENZA
09/10/2020 - ANNOTAZIONE
18/11/2020 - DEPOSITO ATTO NON CODIFICATO
04/12/2020 - COSTITUZIONE PARTI
07/12/2020 - RISERVA
30/12/2020 - ACCOGLIMIENTO TOTALE
30/12/2020 - ANNOTAZIONE
30/12/2020 - INVIO ATTI ALL'AGENZIA DELLE ENTRATE
15/01/2021 - ANNOTAZIONE

The trial was on December 7th and I was notified on the positive result on December 30th. I was told that the appellate period was 90 business days, which is different from other cases on this forum, which were 1 month or 6 months. The 90 days period ended yesterday, but I was told by my lawyer that "due to the pandemic, the judicial bureaucratic procedures are still delayed".

Has anyone had their appellate period end lately? So I can know more or less of how much delay to expect.

Thanks!
Hello everyone.

I'm sorry that I don't have an answer to previously posted questions, I just wanted to update my timeline:
2021-09-14 - Non-appellation certificate signed.
2021-10-01 - Non-appellation certificate forwared to me by my lawyer.
2022-01-14 - Commune certifies my inscription with the "Acta di nascita" and is forwarded to me the same day by my lawyer.
2022-01-14 - Also on the same day I send my documents for AIRE registration through Fast-It, according to instructions.
2022-02-14 - AIRE application is rejected with the message "VERIFICA FALLITA. SI SARA' GRATO DI RIFARE LA PRATTICA." (No further information was included).
2022-02-25 - I give a phone call to the consulate (Santiago, Chile) and they tell me to forward all the documents via email.
2022-02-28 - I send all the documents via email to the consulate

I'm still waiting to hear back and see what I did wrong :/
Good luck to all.
Another successful case, this were my last steps:
2022-03-18 - The consulate tells me that i'm still not registered on AIRE, I send the documents again via email as Fast-it is not letting me start a new application.
2022-04-08 - The consulate confirms that I'm registered on AIRE
2022-04-11 - Unsuccessful attempt to book an appointment via Prenota-Mi, at my consulate they only open new slots every Monday at 12:00
2022-04-18 - Another unsuccessful attempt, the slots were gone by 12:01
2022-04-25 - I couldn't even load the Prenota-Mi website this Monday
2022-04-26 - I check again this Tuesday at 9:00 and I'm surprised that they have available slots! Probably the website crashed on Monday and nobody could make reservations. I make a reservation for May 9th.
2022-05-09 - Passport appointment at the consulate, everything goes as planned, I'm told that the passport will be ready to pick up next Monday
2022-05-16 - I picked up my passport :o all the years waiting were worth it!!!

Good luck everyone!
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Auguri! Thank you for this step-by-step.
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Question:
I obtained my Italian Citizenship over a year ago. I am now interested in applying for an Italian Passport. I did some research and please correct me if i am wrong... Do I need to live in Italy for a certain amount of time before i can apply for a passport?

If my current and permanent address is in the USA do I qualify or am I disqualified from obtaining an Italian Passport?
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mregina wrote: 20 Jun 2022, 03:47 Question:
I obtained my Italian Citizenship over a year ago. I am now interested in applying for an Italian Passport. I did some research and please correct me if i am wrong... Do I need to live in Italy for a certain amount of time before i can apply for a passport?

If my current and permanent address is in the USA do I qualify or am I disqualified from obtaining an Italian Passport?
No you do not need to live in Italy for a period of time, you just go to your nearest consulate and make an appointment or schedule it online, have the interview and also make sure you are registered with AIRE prior.
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