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[DZambrotta]

Hi, I posted a long time ago on a thread back in 2007 about finding my grandfather and great grandfather more information. We deduced at that time that my great grand father was Sabino Zambrotta from sanza Italy who immigrated around 1898, and one of his sons Dominick born in 1905 was my grandfather.

I have been on a quest to find more family here, and I have run into a cousin named Gianni Zambrotta from sanza currently who is 54, I am 42, he states his uncle was Francesco Zambrotta and his grandfather was Sabino. I looked at the old thread and I’m confused again surrounding what is what with my family. Considering the clerical errors from Ellis island on first and last names, I am confused if Sam lamb rod is the same as Sabino zambrotta, I see a Sabatino and a Sabino, both having different kids but both being at Skillman age in Brooklyn after coming from sanza.

I am trying to discern what is what and to whom is actually my great grandfather. The original post was from 2007 and the posting name was ensurrection25….I received a ton of info but now meeting Gianni from sanza and believing we are second cousins, I’m unsure because his story sounds a bit different but we are talking about the same people.

Can anyone help me clear this up. Thank you

[Tessa78]

Here is the original thread from 2008 (member: ensurrection25)
The findings are quite extensive - there are 45 postings. Many findings.
https://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/ ... rrection25

T.

[parkergambino]

You might find it helpful to peruse the trove of NYC vital documents made available last year. Results from a Zambrotta search are found at:

https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc ... 49&county=

This site is rigidly intolerant of spelling variants as it adheres to its indexing; for such a large data set, there are bound to be indexing flaws. So I wouldn't be surprised if additional pertinent documents could be found by trying a few other surname (mis)spellings.

Your family is too large for me to get entangled with, but just a few observations:
- there were quite a number of children who died young in NYC, who may not have been retained as part of the known family history.
- the surnames Bianculli and Cetera (& variants) recur in the NYC genealogy, so these might very well be part of more extensive associations that existed in the old country, continuing into the USA.
- in the 1935 marriage certificate of Carmela Z (see? incorrectly indexed) and John Giusto, I cannot decipher the maiden name of her mother, Sabino (=Sam?)'s wife; the best I can figure is "Teresa Commarano".
- the 1897 marriage of Leticia Zambrotta and Michele Casella ("Lechia Zambrotta and Mike Cavella") show her to be a widow, not descended from the Zambrotta lineage, but married into it.

As a result of Italian naming traditions, the family trees are peppered with individuals sharing the same name. It looked like the extensive initial thread resolved your direct ancestor lineage back to Sabatino and Maria Antonia Antonucci. Your cousin "vzambrotta" seemed to have a good handle on things. Before you allow new information from your new-found cousin Gianni throw you for a loop, consider that you might be looking at "parallel" families where many of the the first names (and even relationships) might be repeated without being the same people. It seems you might have to go back a few more generations in Italy to fully resolve all of the relationships, to account for all of the Dominicks and Sabinos. I would almost expect to see a few more Biancullis and Ceteras on that journey.

Parker

[DZambrotta]

The original thread was extensive and that’s where I am
Confused lol. I have a Sabatino and a Sabino. The Sabino is my great grandfather but is he the same as Sabatino or is he the Samuel lambros one?

[DZambrotta]

It looks like after reviewing the death and marriage documents I am able to deduce that Sabino, is also Savino and Sabisto, and that his wife was Antonia Antonucci.

[DZambrotta]

Ok I figured it out. Sabatino, is also Sabastino, and sabino and Savino and Sam lambros from the census taker. The names are all jumbled but the children are correct. So that’s my great grandfather. He had a brother Giovanni and Domenico, but I think he had more and that’s what I’m seeking.

[DZambrotta]

Apparently Sabatino my bisnonno had a brother Francesco and that is my newfound family members great grandfather.

[DZambrotta]

Okay so after arduous work and a few weird phone calls to other Zambrotta’s here in the states who either couldn’t be bothered or had no idea who anyone was I was speaking about, I have come down to these facts to straighten out our family here.
Sabatino Zambrotta, from
Sanza Italia, born 1/6/1867 also known as Savino, Sabino, and Sabastino was my great grandfather, and his wife Maria Antonia Antonucci also from
Sanza was my great grandmother. They had 5 kids, one I am unable to locate solid information on, because there are multiple Antonio’s.
Demetrio, Antonio, Giuseppe, Domenico (my grandfather) and Sabato they emigrated to Brooklyn NY, sabato and Domenico appear to have been born in the states the rest in Italy.

Sabatino had 3 brothers it seems, Francesco, Giovanni and Domenico. Sabatino looks to the be the first to come to the states. Settled at 63 Skillman Ave in Brooklyn. Census confirms multiple entries.

Francesco his brother born in 1865 married twice, his first wife Caterina I believe they had a single son, and his name was Sabino. Sabino never came to the states he stayed in Sanza, however, Francesco came to NY and remarried at the age of 65 to a gal with the last name yodice.

Domenico born in 1877 was also married with a wife Angelina and they had 3 kids: Rachel, Thomas, and Jenny. Sabato who is Sabatinos son, was noted on a census to be staying with Domenico and family, listed as nephew.

Here is the confusion his brother Giovanni, I have found two, but only have found details on one of them. I have one born 4/20/1872 that I have no information on and then 7/20/1875 which this Giovanni was married to a Rosa, they had 4 or 5 kids, Paolo, Benedetto both born in Italy and then Rosa and Jennie both born in NY and then possibly a Frank.

Any hints on Giovanni would be great. It seems DianeB has listed that a Gelsomina Zambrotta was a daughter of Giovanni if I recall, if that’s the case then I have the wrong Giovanni as brother to Sabatino, Domenico and Francesco.

2 other sets of zambrotta show up that don’t appear to be connected at least not that I can see.

Antonio Zambrotta, wife Rosa, kids: Mary, Vito, Sam, Antionette, Angelina, Jennie, Jessie, Joseph, Carmela, Mary , with grandkids listed on census: Paddy, Roseann, Anthony.

Domenico, wife Angelina, kids: Demetrio, Antonio, Vincenzo and Maria.

Are these simply just another family?

[parkergambino]

Please check your PM's, where I have sent you a message. I will look forward to your reply.

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It seems DianeB has listed that a Gelsomina Zambrotta was a daughter of Giovanni if I recall, if that’s the case then I have the wrong Giovanni as brother to Sabatino, Domenico and Francesco.

It looks to me that DianeB is correct here, consistent with Gelsomina's father Giovanni being brother of your great-grandfather Sabatino.

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Those other Zambrotta families:

Domenico, wife Angelina, kids: Demetrio, Antonio, Vincenzo and Maria

These people look like the family of your Sabatino's brother Domenico. In this family of [Domenico Zambrotta & Angela/Angelina Bianculla], Demetrio was likely known as "Albert" (as was another Demetrio, in your Sabatino's branch of the family) The names of the other siblings align well. Subsequent children born to the couple include
~1907 Rachele (perhaps called Catherine?)
~1909 Thomas
~1911 Vincenza/Jean
~1919 Barbara
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Antonio Zambrotta, wife Rosa, kids: Mary, Vito, Sam, Antionette, Angelina, Jennie, Jessie, Joseph, Carmela, Mary , with grandkids listed on census: Paddy, Roseann, Anthony

I suspect this family to be that of your grandfather's brother Antonio, married to Rosa Calabrese. I do not have information on their descendants, so do not recognize the other family names. The one exception is a daughter who died young:


Antonetta Zambrotta 1917-1918 death:
https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc ... ew/5199331

Parker

[kalylcie]

Check immigration records, census data, and other official records for Sabino Zambrotta, Sam Lamb Rod, Sabatino, or any potential variations. These records may offer additional details about family members, birthplaces, and immigration dates.