Guarino Italy 1888 Marriage Record

[mmogno]

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I couldn't find any for Avellino since you said that Josephine's brother was listed from there on his passenger list.

Dalle Pandette dei Ruoli_Matricolari_Avellino_1848_1900
https://asavellino.cultura.gov.it/filea ... 8_1900.pdf

Cognome e nome Matricola Categoria Busta Anno
DEL VECCHIO ANTONIO 456 1^ 1 1848
DEL VECCHIO ANTONIO 1256 3^ 33 1863
DEL VECCHIO ANTONIO 712 1^ 31 1863
DEL VECCHIO ANTONIO 2306 3^ 87 1876
DEL VECCHIO ANTONIO 25419 BIS 1^ 144 1887
DEL VECCHIO ANTONIO 32724 1^ 158 1889
DEL VECCHIO ANTONIO 15775 1^ 234 1898
DEL VECCHIO ANTONIO 2946 2^ 237 1898
DEL VECCHIO ANTONIO RAFFAELE 24602 1^ 255 1900

Here's a link to the pdf file for the military info in Benevento which may help with town names for the Del Vecchio surname too, You may have to copy and paste the link to access it:

file:///C:/Users/lapip/Desktop/ASBnEsiti_Elenco_1870-83%20lista%20di%20leva%20per%20benevento%20from%201870.pdf

Distretto militare di Benevento
http://www.archiviodistatobenevento.ben ... 870-83.pdf


Erudita

Check also the Lists of draft dodgers
http://www.archiviodistatobenevento.ben ... onomastico

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Grazie mille, mmogno!

I would have never located these records without your help. I am going to spend time this weekend looking at each records of each Antonio del Vecchio in hopes I can use a smaller list for the continued search. It's incredibly useful information. Thanks!

Laura

[erudita74]

@mmogno-thanks for the additional links, G. I don't know why I couldn't find the link for Avellino. Also, I hadn't noticed that there were draft dodgers on the Benevento link. I don't recall ever seeing such a list. Grazie mille come sempre.

@Laura-In case you don't already know, sometimes the surname "Del Vecchio" is alphabetized under the letter V, and not D, in the Italian indices. Also, unfortunately, the 1874 birth records are missing in Correto Sannita. Since you have the military info for the males, this is not an issue concerning Donato, but this could prove an issue for finding a birth record for Josephine, if she was born in that town in that year. Just wish we had access to church records for this town or surrounding ones. The few church records for Benevento towns that are currently online are no help in this situation, unless mmogno knows of ones that I don't. I already checked the ones on the following website:

https://www.italianparishrecords.org/

I also forgot to ask if either Donato or Josephine had ever naturalized? I recall seeing that Donato had started the process, as the letters Pa or PA appear on the 1920 census, I think it was (meaning that he had filed his first papers or declaration of intent to become a citizen), but I recall that Josephine had AL on that census for Alien. Since you have the various census record copies, check the 1930 census to see if the letters NA appear for Donato, meaning that he had naturalized. I'll have to find that census again to check myself.

That's all for now.
Erudita

Here's his Declaration of Intention to become a U.S. citizen, in case you don't have it. No useful info on it:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... A6CTY-XHZ1

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Thank you again, Erudita.

The 1950 census indicates they naturalized. I have not been able to find a 1930 or 1940 census entry to narrow down the window. I found the 1930 census for the same street, where their son (my husband's grandfather) owned a house, but their address isn't listed on that page or the pages before or after.

I ordered a search with USCIS, but their timeline for response is months away. I also contacted Union County and they were very helpful but could not find any proof of naturalization in that county. The representative said they often filed the Declaration of Intention and never went through with it. He also checked every possible variation of the name.

Thank you for the tip about the del Vecchio name occasionally being filed under the letter V. That makes sense but it hadn't occurred to me.

I found one other small clue in re-reading Josephine's 1961 obituary. It said she was survived by a sister and a brother in Italy. We were only aware of her brother.

Grazie mille,
Laura

[mmogno]

For the 1869-1932 Ruoli matricolari in the Distretto Militare of Benevento, check:
http://archiviodistatobenevento.benicul ... onomastico

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Thank you, mmogno. I am having trouble connecting to the site but I will continue to try.

[mmogno]

Try to use Firefox Browser 118.0.1 (64 bit).

[ljg]

This worked. Grazie mille!

[erudita74]

Laura

I believe Donato and Josephine are on the 1940 census right below daughter Julia Bianculli and husband. They are next to the last family on the census page, p. 10 of 32, at 1342 Lake Street. They are both age 71 and daughter Mary is (29?). They also have AL status (Alien) on this census. I don't believe either of them ever naturalized, as Donato's first papers were completed on Feb 1, 1906 and, on the 1920 census, he still had PA, or first papers, status. Now this 1940 census is showing AL, or Alien, for both him and Josephine. First name and surname are in reverse on the page for Donato and Josephine.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2000219

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/co ... bel=Return

p. 10 of 32

Also in 1940, the Alien Registration Act was passed, and starting in 1944, they had to be fingerprinted, etc. There's specific info on the following link under WWII.

https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Al ... tion_Files

The other thing is re the Pietro di Lucrezia who was on the one passenger list-he died in Castelvenere in 1942. I honestly don't believe he was a relative, as suggested by the passenger list, but his place of birth in Benevento is given on his death record as the town of Cusano Mutri. He was in his early 80s.

That is all for now.

Erudita

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Thank you so much! The 1940 census was a missing piece of the puzzle. I searched many times and could not find it.

I'd found the 1950 census which indicates they are citizens, but I wonder if they just answered yes even if it was not true. At that age, maybe they figured it wasn't worth doing, especially considering the fingerprint requirements of the Alien Registration Act. (Thank you for that history lesson.)

Their death records show no social security number for either of them either, if that is any indication.

1950 census link: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6F92-RF75

I'm still having a hard time reconciling the different birth years which are most often listed as 1868 or 1874. Is it common to find such a difference in birth years across different documents?

Many thanks,
Laura

[erudita74]

Laura

Meet Joseph Gordenough and family living at 1342 Lake Street in Plainfield in 1930. Me thinks this family is yours (pardon my grammar, but I still can't believe how Guarino turned into this surname). This census shows PA-first papers- for both Joseph (Donato under an alias?) and Marie.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1810731

I don't think I could ever explain to you, or anyone else, how I found the 1930 and 1940 census for this family, but I did learn that in some years Plainfield was in Somerset County and in others in Union County.

That should be all for today.

Erudita

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Erudita, wow! I cannot believe you found this record and I cannot believe how mangled the name is. Either the census worker had something extra in his drink that day, or Donato was briefly undercover. Lol. I don't know what to make of it, but clearly the address is correct and all the other family members are correct. This is fascinating.

Thank you, as always.

Laura

[erudita74]

Hi Laura

I still can’t believe I found that census. I used a website called stevemorse.org to finally locate it, but I don’t have the instructions with me right now.

That’s all for this evening.

Erudita

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Ciao di nuovo!

I have spent the past week scrutinizing the documents that I have and think I found one small clue. It is not a good clue though, as it seems to rule out the Josephine Del Vecchio whose records Erudita graciously located. I will paste those here so this is all in one place.

Those records indicated that Josephine Del Vecchio traveled over with daughter Anna to the destination of her husband Donato in Elizabeth, NJ in June, 1902. It seemed like a perfect fit. (Maybe it is and I am missing something.)

The records of their oldest living child at the time of the 1910 census records (earliest found) was James Gearino. Records for James Gearino indicate he was born in NJ on 5/25/1902. If this information is accurate, then our Josephine would have already been in the US. I am attaching James Gearino's WW2 registration card with that DOB and the Lake St. address.


Here are the links to the record of the passenger we thought was a match:

https://heritage.statueofliberty.org/pa ... 5pZmVzdCI7

https://stevemorse.org/ellis2/mm.htm?ba ... morse.org/
under missing manfiest option-use date June 11, 1902, T715, roll 283, frame 49

Do you think we should rule out these passengers as wife and daughter of our Donato?

I will continue searching.

Thank you!
Laura

[erudita74]

Laura,
I just went through the 1902 birth index for NJ-all of the letter G surnames and I don’t see any James, or even Vincent, Gearino in the index. I checked under the other spellings of the surname too and didn’t see him, but please double check
in case I missed him. There is also a 1902 delayed birth index, and there is a Vincent B Guarino listed in it, but I can’t tell the date of the birth, and that particular index spans a wide range of years. No parents’ names either. These indices are on a website called Internet Archive, if you want to go through them. I don’t have access to my computer right now and can’t give you links from the device I’m on. Let me know if you have better luck. Erudita