Grandfather's Death Record in Marriage Processetti

[CaptainCatholic]

Hi everyone! I hope everyone is having a great week!

I have heard that a grandfather's death record was often included in the marriage processetto if a man's father and grandfather were both dead. Is this true?

To explain - I am trying to locate the death record for my 7th-Great-Grandfather, Francesco Antonio de Gennaro. His son, Andrea (my 6th-Great-Grandfather), moved to Troia in 1697 and had 5 children there before dying in 1716.

I possess the 1737 marriage processetti of Andrea's youngest child, Giacomo, which was found in Troia. Unfortunately, it does not contain the death record for Francesco Antonio. One genealogist told me that in a smaller town like Troia, a simple declaration from the groom was often accepted when both father and grandfather were deceased, especially if their deaths were well known locally.

That said, I was wondering if there might be a nuance worth considering in this case. While Andrea lived and died in Troia — and was likely well known to the local clergy — his father, Francesco Antonio, died elsewhere before 1716. Since Francesco Antonio did not live in Troia, I wonder if the lack of local knowledge about his death could have made the Church more inclined to request official documentation for the first of Giacomo's older brothers to marry?

I'm wondering if the fact that the grandfather died outside the town increase the chances that his death certificate might appear in the marriage processetti of one of the older brothers, particularly those married closer to the time of his death?

If anyone can weight in on this, I would greatly appreciate it! (I'm trying to decide whether to hire a genealogist to locate the marriage processetti or not!).

Thanks so much for any input that can be provided!!!
Tony

[PippoM]

I'm not expert of 1700's processetti, but in 1800 I've very often found the declaration that the spouse did "not know where and when his/her grandfather passed away". I think that was because :
- it was not easy to get a certificate from another town
- it was probably an expense
- they really DID NOT know where that had happened (sometimes people left home for their job and did not go back)
- it was not very common that a grandparent of a 20/25 yo person was still alive

[CaptainCatholic]

I'm not expert of 1700's processetti, but in 1800 I've very often found the declaration that the spouse did "not know where and when his/her grandfather passed away". I think that was because :
- it was not easy to get a certificate from another town
- it was probably an expense
- they really DID NOT know where that had happened (sometimes people left home for their job and did not go back)
- it was not very common that a grandparent of a 20/25 yo person was still alive

Ciao Pippo! It is great to hear from you again! Thank you very, very much for this feedback, I really appreciate it! It sounds to me then that I would be unlikely to find the death record for my 7th-Great-Grandfather in one of his grandson's marriage processetti.

I will likely not spend the money on hiring a genealogist to track down the records... though I hope to go to Italy one day to do some of this research myself!

Thank you again for your feedback, I appreciate it! (Saved me a lot of money haha). Have a great day!

[Theodnrad]

Hi everyone! I hope everyone is having a great week!

I have heard that a grandfather's death record was often included in the marriage processetto if a man's father and grandfather were both dead. Is this true?

To explain - I am trying to locate the death record for my 7th-Great-Grandfather, Francesco Antonio de Gennaro. His son, Andrea (my 6th-Great-Grandfather), moved to Troia in 1697 and had 5 children there before dying in 1716.

I possess the 1737 marriage processetti of Andrea's youngest child, Giacomo, which was found in Troia. Unfortunately, it does not contain the death record for Francesco Antonio. One genealogist told me that in a smaller town like Troia, a simple declaration from the groom was often accepted when both father and grandfather were deceased, especially if their deaths were well known locally.

That said, I was wondering if there might be a nuance worth considering in this case. While Andrea lived and died in Troia — and was likely well known to the local clergy — his father, Francesco Antonio, died elsewhere before 1716. Since Francesco Antonio did not live in Troia, I wonder if the lack of local knowledge about his death could have made the Church more inclined to request official documentation for the first of Giacomo's older brothers to marry?

I'm wondering if the fact that the grandfather died outside the town increase the chances that his death certificate might appear in the marriage processetti of one of the older brothers, particularly those married closer to the time of his death?

If anyone can weight in on this, I would greatly appreciate it! (I'm trying to decide whether to hire a genealogist to locate the marriage processetti or not!).

Thanks so much for any input that can be provided!!!
Tony

From what I’ve seen in similar cases, it’s definitely possible that the death record of a grandfather like Francesco Antonio would be included in an older sibling’s earlier marriage processetto — especially if his death wasn’t locally known in Troia.