Rome Hospital Birth? Where to look for a potentional mothers death record

[lyn1982]

I think the marriage record in the allegati post in the other topic recorded a doctor, notary, and clerk. So maybe they were higher class.

Oh Wow! Do you know who was what? I don't think those are high class professions though - but I guess they're the kind of professions where reputation would matter more than say if you were a poor farmer or something.

For what it's worth:
Occupations:
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 94/wrZZekN

Antonino - doctor
Ferdinando - notary?
Antonia's father Giacomo - clerk/servant/employee

Thanks - that combined with fact my ggf was born in hospital - possibly with mother staying there as a "hidden' woman - makes me think this could be the family - because it would require money or connections to stay there, wouldn't it? But wait- no cause my ggf was born 1895, this marriage with doctor and wife happened 1908. I assume he would have been too young to work as a doctor in 1895, if he was born 1876.

[darkerhorse]

That was his 1909 marriage where he was listed as doctor. In his 1908 marriage he was listed as a clerk/employee.

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 94/02vvB6M

[lyn1982]

That was his 1909 marriage where he was listed as doctor. In his 1908 marriage he was listed as a clerk/employee.

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 94/02vvB6M

Thanks for the info - so he couldn't have used any status to get a female relative to stay free/low cost at hospital then I'm guessing.

[darkerhorse]

Have you seen this? Nothing new.

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 05/LP2q1eB

[darkerhorse]

You could try finding the Mastracci household in the Italian Censuses, starting in 1897, after the birth of your GGF in December 1896, up until his emigration in 1913.

The censuses contain the following information:
• 1871–1901. These censuses are of limited use and are not uniform in content. In most regions, the census named only the head of household, his occupation, and the number of persons in the house.
• 1911 and later. These censuses list the names, ages, occupations, relationships to the head of the household, and birthplaces of each member of a household.

The Mastracci father Domenico, son Bernardino, and daughter Filomena all had died by 1897. The remaining children emigrated: Filippo in 1904(?) and Pietro in 1906. It appears that the mother Maria Salome Pavia was still alive when your GGF immigrated in 1913. So, you might be able to identify your GGF by name between 1902 and 1913, or to infer his presence between 1897 and 1901 by the household count.

I think it’s valuable since finding your GGF by name as a member of the Mastracci/Pavia household in the 1902-1913 Censuses would be definitive proof of his connection to them. Even inferring him as a Mastracci household member from 1897-1901 would be useful.

You also might check his orphanage to see if they listed individuals.

Unfortunately, Italian Census records don't appear to be available online.
Census records up to 1991 are held in the state archive of each province. Census records from 1911 or 1921 to 1991 are also usually found in each comune’s anagrafe (register’s office). The availability to the public differs from comune to comune.

You could contact both the province state archive and the commune’s anagrafe. Or, you could offer Pippo cappuccino and cannoli and he might visit in person on your behalf.

Alternatively, you could update your passport and pack your bags.

https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Italy_Census

[lyn1982]

Thanks - are you sure I'd be able to get anything? I read this when I looked up about them:

"Where the general censuses of Italy are conserved?
These censuses are usually preserved in the archives of the Italian communes and in many cases could have been sent to the State Archives. Unfortunately, in many states, were eliminated almost all the files registered during the first censuses (1861-1937), leaving only the statistical data and some sheets, as samples. According to privacy laws, only can be consulted censuses until 1921, if they are still conserved in an Italian archive."