Harry Joseph Lise, My Grandfather

[baxterspal2]

The info I have is this:
b-3-14-1892 d-5-22-1956
Born in Italy new york in 1900
Wife and 3 children at that time

2nd wife (my Grandmother) Lottie Masters Loise

Found info under names Harry j Lese Joseph louise
As far as I know his last name was Lise, name changed in WWI to Loise

Any info about his parents and first wife and children would be great

[wldspirit]

Before we proceed, can you provide further detail?
What are the childrens names? Year of birth?
Was he married the first time in Italy or New York?
Have you found immigration records?
In what year did he marry for the second time?
Can you tell us what records you have located so far, that way we don't duplicate research.
wldspirit

[vj]

Welcome to the forum!
Do these WWII Draft Registration Cards belong to your grandfather?
Do you have all of his census records?
Thanks, Valarie

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Harry Joseph Loise
14 Mar 1892 in NY
276 Derre(?) Street Brooklyn
Contact Lottie Loise
Employer WPA

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Harry J Loise
14 Mar 1892 in New York City
615 Metropolitan Ave, Brooklyn
Wife Lottie Loise
Employer WPA
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Edit: added description from both 1942 WWII Cards:

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[suanj]

I found this probable record:
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Joseph Lise
Name: Joseph Lise
City: Manhattan
County: New York
State: New York
Birthplace: Italy
Birth Date: 14 Mar 1891
Race: White
Roll: 1765593
DraftBoard: 90
Age:

Occupation:

Nearest Relative:

Height/Build:

Color of Eyes/Hair:

Signature: View

born in Belluno, Italy, wife and 3 children...
frankly... a probable record...

1920 United States Federal Census
about Harry J Lese
Name: Harry J Lese
[Harry J Lise]
Home in 1920: Manhattan Assembly District 1, New York, New York
Age: 28 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Year of Immigration: 1900
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 133
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Harry J Lese 28




regards, suanj

[vj]

And a possible marriage record:

Loise Harry J May 7 1932 Queens 1475

From:
NYC Groom Index 1864-1936

If you don’t already have this record, you may want to order it, it should have his parents‘ names:

Ordering NYC Vital Records
New York City Archives

Found info under names
Harry j Lese
Joseph louise
As far as I know his last name was Lise,
name changed in WWI to Loise

If this census is correct, then the 1932 marriage record (above) may belong to someone else…

Note: 1930 census same occupation as suanj’s WWI Card & 1920 census finds

possible 1930 census

Home in 1930:
99 166th Street, rents $45
Queens, Queens, New York

Head Joseph Louise 36, abt 1894 NY
- married age 30, abt 1924
- parents born in IT
- tile setter
- military, served WWI
Wife Lottie Louise 27, abt 1903 Florida
- married age 21
Daughter Louise Louise 5, abt 1925 NY
Son Joseph Louise 2 3/12, abt 1927 NY

[vj]

Just for reference

U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006

Name: Harry J Loise
Service Info.: CHAUF US ARMY
Birth Date: 14 Mar 1892
Death Date: 22 May 1956
Service Start Date: 15 Nov 1917
Interment Date: 25 May 1956
Cemetery: Long Island National Cemetery
Cemetery Address: 2040 Wellwood Avenue Farmingdale, NY 11735-1211
Buried At: Section 2e Site 5872

Name: Lottie M Loise
Service Info.: CHAUF US ARMY
Birth Date: 2 Jan 1902
Death Date: 7 Oct 1990
Relation: Wife of Loise, Harry J
Interment Date: 10 Oct 1990
Cemetery: Long Island National Cemetery
Cemetery Address: 2040 Wellwood Avenue Farmingdale, NY 11735-1211
Buried At: Section 2e Site 5872

[suanj]

I belive that Giuseppe LISE is the original italian name; he came in USA in 1902 with Emma mother and Adelfia sister and Umberto brother:


First Name: Giuseppe
Last Name: Lise
Ethnicity:
Last Place of Residence:
Date of Arrival: Sep 18, 1902
Age at Arrival: 11y
Gender: M
Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Rio Negro
Port of Departure: Havre
Manifest Line Number: 0014

last residence Bribano, hamleth of Sedico town in Belluno province; joining at Antonio LISE in NY

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 2782120194&

a trip of father: Antonio LISE

First Name: Antonia (Antonio)
Last Name: Lise
Ethnicity: Italy, No. Italy
Last Place of Residence: New York, New York
Date of Arrival: Jul 06, 1908
Age at Arrival: 43y
Gender: M
Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: New York
Port of Departure: Cherbourg, France
Manifest Line Number: 0008

born in Belluno, wife Emma and children in NY

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 0271%2ETIF

another

First Name: Antonio
Last Name: Lise
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian
Last Place of Residence: New York, New York U.S.A.
Date of Arrival: Dec 03, 1910
Age at Arrival: 44y
Gender: M
Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: La Savoie
Port of Departure: Havre
Manifest Line Number: 0007

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 0813%2ETIF

regards, suanj

[vj]

Possibly mother Emma, from suanj’s manifest find

1925 NYC Directory
Lise Emma (wid Antonio) opr h176 W Houston

[suanj]

thank Valarie, yes I believe that Giuseppe LISE is the right person .. and the mother Emma was living in 1925, maybe she is also in 1930 census... I cannot find the 1910 census abt the family... hugs, suanj

[vj]

Hello suanj!
Agree Giuseppe Lise
Hard to tell if all of these records belong to the same person
(1932 marriage?)
Many records do have same occupation: tile worker
Father Antonio on 1902 manifest worked with mosaics?
Valarie

Possibly related census (very hard to read)
start 8 lines from the bottom of the page

Note: address doesn’t match suanj’s Dec 1910 manifest for Antonio

1910 image from ancestry

1910 image from HeritageQuest

Home in 1910
St John’s Place
New Rochelle, Westchester, NY

Head Antonio Lise (44?) IT, born abt 1866
- immig 1895, Al
- proprietor, saloon
Wife Emma Lise (42?) IT, born abt 1868
- 3 children born, 2 children living
- immig 1902
Son Giuseppe Lise 19 IT, born abt 1891
- immig 1902
- tial (tile) setter, houses
Son Alberto Lise 16 IT, born abt 1894
- immig 1902

[wldspirit]

Excellent discovery Suanj.....
I have missed you, we don't get to see as much of you as we
would like to!!
I have sent you a PM...
Lee

[suanj]

yes Valarie, Antonio working with mosaic.. good find 1910 census... I'm pretty sure that is the same family... Umberto brother becoming Alberto... all ok!
suanj

[suanj]

Hi Lee,
much work for me, much work for Christmas and all feasts! Now I'm back, many kisses,
suanj
ps: I replied your pm

[baxterspal2]

Thank you everyone,

Ok Lottie Masters hooked up with Joseph Loise, Tile Setter, And had 7 children,
Tootsie, Albert, Joseph, Gloria, Emily, Jeanie and Rita
They were not married until after the first 2 or three were born

I think his first wife was Josephine Toia (Lise) Married here in the states and children listed on a 1930 census with her father head of house hold A?? Toia.
She was listed as Married and the childrens names were:
William Anthony age 17
Marion age 15
Reta age 13
Louis age 9 all have the last name Lise Her spouse not listed.

I have seen the ss death records for Joseph and Lottie as well as WWI and WWII draft cards

[DLoise]

Is it possible for you to trace back Lottie Masters family back as far as possible. I am Her great granddaughter.