Veltre family mystery, last name translation

[StarV579]

My great grandfathers name is Isaia Veltre.

I sent off for a SS5 form with the name of his parents.

Here are the names of his parents, however I cannot read the last name of his mother. His mothers first name is listed as Elisa

Fathers last name listed as John. I have included links to photos.

Here are pictures of the mothers first and last name (Elisa)

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt31 ... elisa2.jpg

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt31 ... /Elisa.jpg

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt31 ... /Elisa.jpg

Here's a picture of theFathers name (John)

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt31 ... /JohnV.jpg

My question about his father's name being John Veltre is this........... Is the Italian translation for John actually Giovanni

should I be looking for giovanni Veltre instead of John Veltre?

Heres a picture of My great grandfathers name. Isaia Veltre

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt31 ... /Isaia.jpg



Thank you for taking the time to look.

So here's the mystery part. I got a letter from a relative in Italy who claims to be the sister of Isaia. Livio helped me to translate it. Here is the translation.


THE LETTER


I am the daughter of Maria Emanuel Veltre married Petrone and my grandfather's name was Giovanni Veltre and my grandmother's name was Lisetta Pennisi married Velter. And I am Emma the daughter who is answering to you and I am 82 years old but I live all day using an oxygen bottle because I do not breathe well but my mind is still lucid, dear Stella, my mother used to to say that I had a brother who was a barber and whose name was Isaia. My grandparents lived in Bagnara and when they died they were buried in the cemetery of Chianche where she was living, my mother was always visiting them because she was (lived) in Pietrelcina.

Dear Stella, I live with my daughter, and since she is working I have a woman looking after me. In the picture that you sent me the male looks like my brother.
I initali saw a brother (could be a friar) who is the son of Antonietta Chialignio, I wonder if you know him,

greet him, I stop writing and kiss to all

I am your niece (or granddaughter, nipote stands for both).

emma

My question is who is Emma? where does she fit in this picture.

Is the Giovanni Veltre she's speaking of actually the (John) Veltre in my photographs?

Here's a copy of Isaia's Draft registration card.

(thanks to you guys)

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... s&line=002

I am not sure if this link location file will work...

I have another post on this website

this post is called

Looking for Veltre Information

if you look under this post a lot of blanks have been filled in.

My question is what is the last name of Elisa and where is she from where does the last name orginate from?

There is a possible brother of Isaia and his parents names are listed as

the brothers name is Rodugno Veltre (Rodrigo?)

Mother:Elisabetta Bennisi
Father: Giovanni

not sure how it all fits in. Anyways, thanks for taking the time to look at this!

Thanks
Star

[StarV579]

I listed a picture of Isaia's manifest record as his draft registration card.

Here is a picture of Isaia's orginal draft card

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt31 ... ftcard.jpg

I also tried to take another picture of the entire SS5 form for clairfication.

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt31 ... ftcard.jpg

Here are some more possible relatives (again from the Looking for Veltre family information, post) VJ located a couple of people that may be in some way related. One of them is named Maria. My grandfather remembered her and called her "Antoniette". Maria is more than likely the sister of Isaia.

Emma's letter also mentioned the son of a lady name Antionette. That he was a friar.

My grandfather told me that Isaia had two brothers who were priests in Italy.

Below is the information for the possible relatives.



VJ, found some more possible cousins....

Palma Calicchio 22 (abt 1898)
- single- last residence S Angelo
- in S Angelo Benevento, mother Filomena Pennisi
- destination Jersey City
- in US before, 1902-1917 in Jersey City
- joining brother Isaia Calicchio at 122 W St
- born in S Angelo

Maria Antonietta Veltre 21 (abt 1899)
- single
- last residence S Angelo
- in S Angelo Benevento, father Giovanni Veltre
- destination Jersey City
- joining brother Diocleziano Veltre in Jersey City
- born in S Angelo

Erminia Veltre Calicchio 28 (abt 1892)
(and two children)
- married
- last residence S Angelo
- in S Angelo Benevento, mother Elisa Pennisi
- destination Jersey City
- joining husband Emilio Calicchio
- born in S Angelo

Again, thanks for looking. please let me know if additional information is needed!

Thank you so much
Star

[suanj]

from Isaia Veltre ship's manifest, he joining at Rodrigo brother; the first name is Rodrigo... now I read the ship's manifest of Rodugno ( frankly this first name I know not if exist) but on Rodugno ship's manifest the first name is wrote Rodugno and not Rodrigo... but I believe a error ....
1910 census:
1910 United States Federal Census
about Roseoigo Veltre
Name: Roseoigo Veltre
[Roderigo Veltre]
Age in 1910: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's Name: Mamie
Home in 1910: Hoboken Ward 1, Hudson, New Jersey
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1900
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Roseoigo Veltre 26
Mamie Veltre 24
Helen Veltre 3
William Veltre 1


1920 census:
1920 United States Federal Census
about Rodger Veltre
Name: Rodger Veltre
Home in 1920: Hoboken Ward 3, Hudson, New Jersey
Age: 35 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Birthplace: New Jersey
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Mamie
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 215
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Rodger Veltre 35
Mamie Veltre 33
Helen Veltre 14
William Veltre 11
Margaret Veltre 8
Matilda Veltre 6
Rodger Veltre 3


Rodrigo was a barber....

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Rogers Joseph Veltre
Name: Rogers Joseph Veltre
City: Hoboken
County: Hudson
State: New Jersey
Birth Date: 5 Oct 1884
Race: White
Roll: 1712109
DraftBoard: 2

U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
about Rodrigo Veltre
Name: Rodrigo Veltre
Birth Date: 5 Oct 1884
RESIDENCE: No Bergen, New Jersey
Birth: Italy
Race: White
Roll: WWII_2372591

Rodrigo in the second trip joining at Oreste Veltre brother ( b. 21 Feb 1886-Bagnara) so they are brothers... another: Christopher Diocleziano Veltre (b. 21 Nov 1889) and sure are 4 brothers.. and it are the sisters also....

the better thing is to ask the Certificato Storico di Famiglia( genealogic tree) in Bagnara Sant'Angelo a Cupolo civil records office... it have a cost but is the better way for know anything abt the ancestors...
suanj

[StarV579]

Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. After reading your post several times, I understand that you believe rodrigo is actually rodger. The name rodrigo could have been a mistake? So isaia, rodger, christopher, and oreste were all brothers. That makes complete sense because isaia's son, john my grandfather, told me that his father came over from Italy with three brothers.

Do you have any clues to the spelling of Elisa's last name (isaia's mother)??

Do you have the address possibly of where I need to write for the family certificate?

Thanks for your help!

Star

[suanj]

Rodrigo was Rodger in a census and also had a son with Rodger first name ( born abt 1917)
the certificato storico di famiglia you can ask directly in Sant'Angelo Cupolo town (Bagnara is a hamlet of this town) Servizi Demografici officehttp://www.comunesantangelo.it/Ufficio%20Demografico.htm
here it are the email address, but I believe that for first thing you must ask what data are necessary to provide at officer abt the certificate... I believe that Isaia Veltre birthdate and parent's names are helpful, and you can ask 1 generation back, because however the certificate having a cost ( 2,58 euros for any name)...
also it are the possibility of to request it on line by agency http://www.homeonline.it/doc.cfm/60/cer ... 3wodBEyZQw
for a minimum cost of 49 euros (+ tax)
best regards, suanj

[StarV579]

So does anyone have a guess on the spelling of ELISA's last name? Thanks star

[suanj]

Elisa is the short version of Elisabetta; diminutives: Lisetta, Lisa, Elisa, Betta

[liviomoreno]

So does anyone have a guess on the spelling of ELISA's last name? Thanks star

As stated by Emma, in the letter she wrote to you, Elisa's surname is Pennisi.

Keep in mind that John=Giovanni and Lisetta is nickname for Elisa.

Emma is the granddaughter of John Veltre and Elisa Pennisi.

[StarV579]

Thank you both so much for taking the time to answer.

I guess my question is how would emma be related to me directly?

And emma said the spelling of the name was pennisi. The ss5 form said something like penonse. Which one is right and what part of Italy does the name penonse/pennisi come from?

Thanks
Star

[pink67]

Hi Star,

try this site:

http://www.gens.labo.net/it/cognomi/genera.html

digit Pennisi in "Cognome" and you'll see where the last name is present in Italy..

Laura

[liviomoreno]

Thank you both so much for taking the time to answer.

I guess my question is how would emma be related to me directly?

And emma said the spelling of the name was pennisi. The ss5 form said something like penonse. Which one is right and what part of Italy does the name penonse/pennisi come from?

Thanks
Star

The SS5 forms shows the name as Pennese

I would say that the John Veltre and Elisa Pennese of the SS5 form are the grandparents of Emma.

[StarV579]

Thank you again. Is that a very common last name?