Military Records when moving towns.

[suanj]

I agree with what written by suany.
For the payment wait their request.
I saw one Archive asking no payment as their documents are online, another asking a small payment by bank transfer.

Purtroppo molte pubbliche amministrazioni ormai adottano il PagoPA e uno straniero non credo possa fare la procedura a cominciare dal richiedere Spid o altro... magari accettano in cambio il bonifico bancario. Prima era molto meglio, ora come al solito, se qualcosa va la devono poi complicare, così ci fanno passare la voglia a tutti..

[cedrone]

L'Archivio di Varese chiede il pagamento di 2 euro con conto corrente postale o tramite banca (danno l'IBAN della Tesoreria dello Stato). È un po' complicato per tutti i dati da mettere nella causale, poi si deve rinviare all'archivio la ricevuta.

[suanj]

è complicato sì per chi non vive in Italia.... ma almeno non è tutta quella cosa pazzesca di PagoPa e Spid e inquadra codice QR sul cell, ma prima scaricati l'app, e poi altro... insomma da impazzire... Prima all'archivio di messina era facile facile, si ricaricava la postepay dell'Archivio Ora invece la fanno con pagoPA; meno male che a quello di Napoli ancora si accontentano del bonifico bancario. Dovrebbero dare opportunità di scelta di metodo di pagamento in tutti gli archivi. Non tutti sono giovani e abili con queste cose, che diamine.

[deigo1]

Goods news! This morning, the archives in Verona replied they have located the document. In order to get it, it requires a 3 euro payment exclusively through the national system, which I think is what was mentioned earlier. I was able to add it to my cart as outlined in the reply below, but the payment system piece seems to be more related to living in the EU. Is it possible to do this not living in Italy / EU ?


Foglio Matricolare - Vittorio Menossi
We inform you that the matriculation role of the name in question has been identified.
We will be able to send you the reproduction upon receipt of payment receipt of € 3 to be made according to
the following instructions. Payment must be made exclusively through the PagoPA platform (national system of
electronic payments to the Public Administration). The platform can be reached at the following link:
https://portalepagamenti.beniculturali.it/
After selecting Mibact Institutes> State Archives of Verona and indicating the amount from to pay, you must log in using your credentials (if you are not registered you can register), and choose the payment method.
The office will send the requested reproductions as soon as it receives a copy of the certificate of
payment generated by the PagoPA system which must be sent to the e-mail address as asvr@
beniculturali.it

[suanj]

abt the website https://pagonline.cultura.gov.it/pagame ... ni/home.do
to go here https://pagonline.cultura.gov.it/pagame ... utente.pdf

to go pag 6
"The procedure for registering on the portal without eIDAS for foreigners of nationality absent from the eIDAS list is shown below...." and after understood the procedure to register for the foreigners without eIDAS, to go pag 20 and to follow the procedure-- in it in italian but you can use a translator...
maybe helpful,
regards,
suanj

[cedrone]

Hi.
I also have never used this PagoPA system and I'll try to understand how it works.
Try to follow the instructions given by suany, if not working write again.
Have the Archivio replied in English or is it a translation?

[suanj]

Hi.
I also have never used this PagoPA system and I'll try to understand how it works.
Try to follow the instructions given by suany, if not working write again.
Have the Archivio replied in English or is it a translation?

Io l'ho usato una sola volta, per prima cosa ho ottenuto lo SPID da poste Italiane, online perchè sono una utente ed hanno tutti i dati e sono anche registrata al loro sito. Ottenute le credenziali SPID, ci sono 3 livelli di sicurezza io ne ho scelto solo i primi 2, il primo sono login e pass del sito poste Italiane, ma non sono solo le Poste Italiane accreditate per rilasciare lo SPId, ci sono altri enti anche, il secondo non ricordo bene, ma devi scaricarti l'app POSTEID e quando hai riempito il form di PagoPa allora ti esce un codice QR che devi inquadrare attraverso l'app.
Guarda.... un casino. prima era gratuito io l'ho fatto ai primi dell'anno più o meno ora invece si paga pure...

[cedrone]

Sì, ho già lo Spid e l'app PosteID, quindi se mi servirà dovrei riuscirci, per gli stranieri sarà più complicato.
Saluti.

[deigo1]

@cedrone...they replied in Italian that was the google translation I posted in English.

This is what was the exact reply was in Italian:

Oggetto: Foglio Matricolare - Vittorio Menossi
Si comunica che è stato individuato il ruolo matricolare del nominativo in oggetto.
Potremo inviarle la riproduzione previa ricezione di ricevuta di pagamento di 3 € da effettuarsi secondo
le seguenti istruzioni.
Il pagamento dovrà essere versato esclusivamente tramite piattaforma PagoPA (sistema nazionale di
pagamenti elettronici a favore della Pubblica Amministrazione).
La piattaforma è raggiungibile al seguente link:
https://portalepagamenti.beniculturali.it/
Dopo aver selezionato Istituti Mibact > Archivio di Stato di Verona e aver indicato l’importo da
versare, è necessario accedere tramite le proprie credenziali (se non si è iscritti è possibile registrarsi),
e scegliere la modalità del pagamento.
L’ufficio spedirà le riproduzioni richieste non appena riceverà copia dell’attestazione di
pagamento generata dal sistema PagoPA che dovrà essere inviata all’indirizzo di posta elettronica asvr@
beniculturali.it .

@suanj...thank you for the directions I believe I got through it. I completed the payment for it Saturday for Italy, so I'm hopeful that if it all works I could get a copy overnight (US time).

Will let you both know.

Thanks!
D.

[cedrone]

OK. So you have been able to understand the instructions and make the payment?
Have you sent back the receipt to the Archivio address as requested?
Let us know when you receive it.

[deigo1]

Yes, after I made the payment I replied to the email with pdf version of the email receipt that I was sent from the PagoPA system. The difficult part was the SPID area, there was a choice that I found that bypassed it and let me just directly enter credit card information to make the payment. It may not have been hard if you can read Italian, but there were some areas where the browser could not do translations on the page. This is where the user manual suanj provided helped with screen shots of the next windows you would see.

[deigo1]

Overnight the record came in. I have posted it below.

I did have a few questions as I struggle to read/translate some of the of the hand written items.

On the left side there are two entries mid page for Distinizioni e servizi speciali?
The bottom left are these entries from where he had traveled with his passport (one looks to be France)?
In the middle page, is this representative of military service or is this more like a reserves where he reports annually?
I see at the top there are entries from 1902 to 1904 then it stops until 1909 and then resumes, was he excused temporarily?
The entries at the bottom was he called to duty being 1915 possibly WW1?

Thank you again for the help!
D.

[cedrone]

The Spid is a code for people living in Italy, as Suanj said there is another option for people abroad (I didn't look at details), I'm happy you understood how to proceed and received the document.

[cedrone]

I'll try to translate all tomorrow (some words may be hard to read also for me)
Some info:
On the left side there are the details of the person, in the middle (servizi speciali) are the works he was able to do (I read the first, tiratore scelto, can't understand the second line)
At the bottom there are the dates of authorization (nulla osta) to go abroad,
To Switzerland, France and America ...?...

[cedrone]

The other part are all the various duties in the army with the periods of service or not (congedo). I'll try to understand better tomorrow.

The last destination seems
America del Nord (probably you may read better) (that is USA)