Toscano family

[mjclayton1]

@ mjclayton1

Hi Mark

Great finds. You are going great. It's always good revisiting records from Grumento Nova!

Angela

Hi, Angela-

Yes, is always sort of "easy" going back there, you know?

I need to sort out the potential connection to bobtoni with my better half. Even if not found (it isn't obvious, so...) it's still interesting - at least anecdotally - to know other Rago's ended up in Los Banos. It's a smallish, remote Ag community (population in 1920 was only about 1,700) located about one hour east of Gilroy, CA (think of the "garlic capital of the world" there). In fact, I think Carol's maternal grandfather may have went to Los Banos first himself, i.e., before eventually ending up in San Francisco...

Cheers!

Mark

[AngelaGrace56]

@ mjclayton1

Hi Mark

Great finds. You are going great. It's always good revisiting records from Grumento Nova!

Angela

Hi, Angela-

Yes, is always sort of "easy" going back there, you know?

I need to sort out the potential connection to bobtoni with my better half. Even if not found (it isn't obvious, so...) it's still interesting - at least anecdotally - to know other Rago's ended up in Los Banos. It's a smallish, remote Ag community (population in 1920 was only about 1,700) located about one hour east of Gilroy, CA (think of the "garlic capital of the world" there). In fact, I think Carol's maternal grandfather may have went to Los Banos first himself, i.e., before eventually ending up in San Francisco...

Cheers!

Mark

Yes, Grumento Nova is a small town these days. It’s hard to believe it was once a thriving Roman Town.

Re the Rago family ending up in Los Banos - well one of my bisnonni would often go to Los Banos for work (from Grumento Nova) and he visited on at least one occasion with a Rago family - two or three brothers. I need to revisit this topic. There are other connections as well with the Rago family but I have never found that we are related to them. When I've got time I'll work out which Rago family it was.

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Nice finds by Angela...

Although I haven't been able to locate Nicola's Death record (there are two in the intervening years between 1832 and 1855 - one from 1836 and one from 1854 - but each time the decedent's spouse didn't show as Teresa Bove), as to Angela's 1st marriage find, I've found at least one birth from the Francisco Toscano-Maria La Salvia union:

Carmela Toscano, b: 10 Apr 1861

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 4K?lang=en


TOSCANO Carmela Atti di Nascita (10 Apr 1861)(No. 39).jpg

Mark, well done. I believe the 1836 Death Record you found is the correct record but there is an error. Instead of writing Teresa Bove they wrote Teresa Giannone. I did a bit of sleuthing and found Nicola's Death Extract amongst son Francesco's 1857 Marriage Allegati:

Nicola Toscano died 26 December 1836, Death Record No 60
Nicola Toscano was the son of Michele Toscano, a contadino, who had died in Saponara, and of Teresa Rotolo, who was also deceased. He was the husband of Teresa Bove, and 50 yo.
Info taken from son Francesco’s 1857 Marriage Allegati: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 06/LoK7PKm

They had inserted the correct name.

Original 1836 Death Record with wrong wife, which should read Teresa Bove.
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... KR?lang=en

Angela

[mjclayton1]

Angela, that is just FANTASTIC work/research/sleuthing by you. Total RESPECT and ADMIRATION for your efforts there...

[mjclayton1]

Angela's link works just fine, but upload added here for additional benefit...

TOSCANO Niccola UNVERIFIED Atti di Morte (26 Dec 1836)(No. 60)(age 50).jpg

[AngelaGrace56]

Thank you for your kind words, Mark.

I have just been looking at this again (I haven't been at this all day). Just thought I'd search for Nicola Toscano and Teresa Bove's marriage record but have not located. (Several years of marriage records are missing.) However, I did discover a Marriage Record in 1813 for 25 yo Nicola Toscano, son of deceased Michele Toscano who had died in 1804, and (son) of 50 yo Teresa Rotolo. The bride however was an Agnese Ferri??? I'm away for the day tomorrow and most of the following day so will search more when I return.

1813 Marriage No 11: Nicola Toscano and Agnese Ferri: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... jd?lang=en

Angela

[bobtoni]

Thank you again for all of this information regarding my family's history. I wish I had done this before I had visited Grumento Nova two years ago.

Robert Toscano

[AngelaGrace56]

Thank you again for all of this information regarding my family's history. I wish I had done this before I had visited Grumento Nova two years ago.

Robert Toscano

You are very welcome. It's been a good team effort.

Continuing on...

I have located some more records, but unfortunately some records that would be really helpful are missing.

So that we know what it says, I've translated the marriage act of Nicola Toscano and Agnese Ferri, which I previously posted. It seems that Nicola first married with Agnese. I’ve been unable to locate any birth records for children born to Nicola and Agnese, and I’ve also been unable to locate a death record for Agnese Ferri. Death and Marriage Records are missing on line for the following years 1811, 1815, 1818, 1821, and Birth records are missing for the years 1815, 1818, 1821 which isn’t helpful. I’ve gone through and located births for the children born to Nicola and Teresa Bove and will post shortly. I was unable to locate their marriage record. They must have been married during those missing years.

1813 Marriage No 11: Nicola Toscano and Agnese Ferri
Saponara, Potenza 8 May 1813
Appearing were:
Nicola Toscano 25 yo (1788), a contadino, living this town, Contrada Destro, adult son of Michele Toscano, a massaro (farm manager), who had lived in this town and died on 20 January 1804 as per his Death Certificate exhibited; and son of Teresa Rotolo, 50 yo, contadina, living in the house of her son, here present, and gives her consent to the marrage.

And

Agnese Ferri, 28 yo, living in said town, a contadina, adult daughter of Paolo Ferri, a pastore (shepherd), who had lived and died in said town on 10 November 1804 as per his death certificate exhibited; and the widow of Giuseppe Toscano a contadino, who had lived and died in the town – date of death given is 29 December 1810 (The death record is missing). She was the daughter of Anna Maria Ciuffo, 50 yo, a contadina, living in the town, present at the Act, and gave her consent (to the marriage).
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 27/wEnavjd


Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Check my previous post today.

Children born to Nicola Toscano and Teresa Bove:

1822 Birth No 89: Giuseppe, Michele, Francesco Toscano, son of Nicola Toscano and Teresa Bove

Registered Saponara on 13 August 1822
Father: Nicola Toscano, 28 yo (c.1794), son of Michele, a contadino, living Saponara, (via) Mancuso,
Mother: Teresa Bove, 30 yo (c.1792), Nicola’s husband.
Baby born on 12 August 1822, and named Giuseppe, Michele, Francesco and was baptised on 13 August 1822 in the parish of S. Antonino Matire, Saponara, Potenza.
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 51/LpKRE7Z


1830 Death No 25 of Francesco Toscano, son of Nicola Toscano and Teresa Bove

Died 20 March 1830 (Born circa 1825)
5 yo son of Nicola Toscano, 43 yo (c.1787), a contadino and of wife Teresa Bove.
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 07/5YR9Edm


1829 Birth No 1 of Giuseppantonio, Vincenzo Toscano, son of Nicola Toscano and Teresa Bove

Registered 5 January 1829, Saponara, Potenza
Father: Nicola Toscano, son of Michele, 42 yo (c.1787), a contadino, living Saponara
Mother: Teresa Bove, his wife, 30 yo, living with her husband, the declarant.
Baby son born Saponara, 4 January 1829, and baptised 6 January 1829 in the Parish of Sant’Antonino.
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 74/5gRP319


1832 Birth Francesco Toscano (which you already have)

Father: Nicola Toscano, son of the “deceased” Michele, 40 yo, a contadino.
Mother: Teresa Bove, 30 yo, living with her husband, the declarant.
Baby son born on 8 October 1832 and baptised on 9 October 1832, Parish of Sant’Antonino, Saponara.
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 87/wEy2pbM


1835 Birth No 138: Carmela Toscano

Father: Nicola Toscano, son of the deceased Michele, 50 yo, a contadino, living Saponara.
Mother: Teresa Bove, Nicola’s wife, 45 yo
Carmela was born on 16 December 1835 and baptised the following day in the Parish of Saponara.
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 93/wbRyAV3

I searched to 1845, just to be certain, (and of course Nicola died in 1836), so 1835 was the last child born to Nicola and Teresa Bove. You'll notice that there are discrepancies in the ages that are reported for Nicola and Teresa in the birth records. It is not uncommon to see this especially, when the person declaring the event is illiterate..

Angela

[mjclayton1]

Great work, Angela. I can add here the Death Record for Teresa Rotolo (Ruotolo?)...

Record No. 29. Nicola Toscano, age 40 appeared. Teresa Rutolo (Ruotolo?) died 25 May 1826, age 60. Father is deceased Giovanni, but no mother listed. Shows Teresa as "vedova di Michele Toscano"...

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 92/0Arme98

RUTOLA Teresa Atti di Morte (25 May 1826)(No. 29).jpg

[mjclayton1]

Also, I'm afraid Michele Toscano (from Francesco and Maria La Salvia) only lived to be 9 years old...

Record No. 49: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043547

TOSCANO Michele Atti di Morte (16 Jul 1871)(No. 49)(pg. 1).jpg

TOSCANO Michele Atti di Morte (16 Jul 1871)(No. 49)(pg. 2).jpg

[AngelaGrace56]

Great work, Angela. I can add here the Death Record for Teresa Rotolo (Ruotolo?)...

Record No. 29. Nicola Toscano, age 40 appeared. Teresa Rutolo (Ruotolo?) died 25 May 1826, age 60. Father is deceased Giovanni, but no mother listed. Shows Teresa as "vedova di Michele Toscano"...

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 92/0Arme98


RUTOLA Teresa Atti di Morte (25 May 1826)(No. 29).jpg

Great find Mark!!! This really helps tie things up. I went through the death records today and totally missed this. I'll just add a bit more info:

The declarant, Nicola Toscano, was 40 yo, a contadino, living in Strada Destro, and the son of the deceased, Teresa Rotolo. The second declarant, Pietro Rotolo, 50 yo, also a contadino, was the brother of the deceased, and living in the same Strada.

I can’t work out why it says Bisuogno after Michele Toscano’s name? It is underlined with broken lines which usually indicates an error.

I also looked for Teresa Bove's death record but didn't locate it. She had passed already by 1881 and was living in 1857. I'm wondering though whether she may have died later in the year during 1857 earthquake?

Re the surname, I'm sure it is Rotolo, although I can see that in this record it is spelt three different ways which include the letter u.

Good catch on young Michele's death record too - sad.

Angela

[bobtoni]

So so grateful for all of you who have worked so diligently on finding all this history about my family.

Robert

[mjclayton1]

But wait! We're not finished here just yet...

I found Antonio Rago's (Rosalia Rago's father) Atti di Morte:

Record No. 29. Antonio Rago, age 73 (I think). Died 27 Jul 1902. Shows his wife as (living) Maddalena Sarapo (we've already established her as being his wife). Antonio's parents were Giuseppe (also previously revealed) and... drum-roll please... Rosalia Toscano!

But wait. We're not finished here just yet...

Although I came up empty on Maddalena Sarapo (she seemingly lived longer... and was perhaps somewhat younger than her husband, Antonio), I did find Antonio Rago's Death Record:

Record No. 29. Antonio Rago, age 73 (I think). Died 27 Jul 1902. Shows his wife as (living) Maddalena Sarapo (we've already established her as being his wife). Antonio's parents were Giuseppe (also previously revealed) and... drum-roll please... Rosalia Toscano!


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043547

[mjclayton1]

The net of all this for me (aside from my generally helping) is that any relation between bobtoni and my Carol may have to go at least as deep as Giuseppe Rago (bobtoni's ancestor Antonio's father)...

She does have a 2x ggf named Giuseppe Rago (b 15 Apr 1828), but of his six (6) siblings that I know of (4 males and 2 females), none are named Antonio. More importantly, their (collective) father's name was Giovanni Rago (b: Abt. 1795). So... I would think any POSSIBLE connection would be if it turned out that bobtoni's Giuseppe Rago was (Carol's) Giovanni Rago ancestor...

Can't believe I just noticed that I don't Givoanni's death record (my Tree says "Bef. 1859), so there may yet be a connection to be found. If that's in the cards (available in the Antenati records), I'm betting Angela will beat me to it...