Lise: Surname of g g grandfather and missing g grandfather.

mfjp · Post by **mfjp** » 14 Sep 2006, 20:47

Well... the Record Keep was also confused - as we are, and had reason to detain him... I think his father's name could have been an issue

I think the father's name was corrected on the Detained Record... it does mean Guiseppe...

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If I'm not mistaken, the Passenger List is written out first...

Then if there is an issue with someone- at landing.. there is an enquiry.. and then documented on a Detained Record...

I think the Detained Record is correct... since a call was made?? maybe...

Maria

mfjp · Post by **mfjp** » 14 Sep 2006, 20:53

Marcialise wrote:Oh no... getting more confusing. .....

But this Chianasi is in the way somehow isn't it.

Oh I know!!

Chianasi... is a unique name... it was put there for a reason (on manifest) and then corrected on the detained list...

I think it could mean something... I too would like to find out why...

Maria

Marcialise · Post by **Marcialise** » 14 Sep 2006, 20:56

Makes sense Maria. You will make an excellent detective...

vj · Post by vj » 14 Sep 2006, 21:34

the 1902 manifest possibly belonging to Lise family
in New Rochelle on 1910 census:

possible 1902 manifest

(note: in 1910 Giuseppe is probably 19, occupation tial (tile?) setter -
similar to WW1 card)

Marcialise · Post by **Marcialise** » 14 Sep 2006, 21:41

Hi vj and thank you! I did think that this record is somehow connected as well. But then the 1909 manifest (Ellis) says Giuseppe's father is Giuseppe. On this manifest (1902) it's Antonio.

mfjp · Post by **mfjp** » 14 Sep 2006, 21:44

Hi vj.. just noticed you posted... will read shortly

just found this out...

Found the address of Carmine St. and Macdougal...

They're just blocks away...

Antonio Lise was going to Carmine St. in 1910?

and

Guiseppe was going to Macdougal...

Here's a map... hope you can view...

http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?countr ... ttan%2C+NY

Wait just noticed it now.... the draft card shows a Downing Street
very close by to above streets...

Maria

Marcialise · Post by **Marcialise** » 14 Sep 2006, 21:49

Possible that Giuseppe Lise (at Mc Dougal St, possibly my grt grt grandfather?) and Antonio Lise (going to Carmine St.) are siblings or somehow connected?

Wow, these three streets are all very very close. 8O

mfjp · Post by **mfjp** » 14 Sep 2006, 21:52

Here... let me link this info here...

mfjp wrote:Certainly are!

WW1 cards are a real blessing to have on the Ancestry site...

Name: Joseph Lise
City: Manhattan
County: New York
State: New York
BirthPlace: Italy
Birth Date: Mar 14 1891
Race: White
Roll: 1765593
DraftBoard: 90

Link to Joseph Lise Draft card

Link to Belluno Province info

Link to Belluno city info

Lived on 21 Downing(sp?) St. New York, naturalized, born in Belluno, employed by Nicolo as a Tile Setter, was considered tall and slender, brown eyes, chestnut hair...

I will also try to zoom in on the person that Giuseppe went visit - which is mentioned on his manifest... hopefully I can post an enlarged sample.

William = Guglielmo

Wondering if Reta was shortened from the name Margherita...

Back soon...
Maria

Vj's census record says tile setter....

1910 Cenus vj posted earlier...

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/6410 ... susrg5.jpg

1910 lise census
(hard to read, 2nd family up from bottom of page)
Antonio Lise
Age in 1910: 44 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 BirthPlace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouses's Name: Sannia
Home in 1910: New Rochelle Ward 4, Westchester, New York
Year of Immigration: 1895

Sannia Lise
Age in 1910: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 BirthPlace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Year of Immigration: 1902

Gingeppe (Giuseppe) Lise
Age in 1910: 11 (19) Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899 (1891)BirthPlace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Son
Year of Immigration: 1902

Alberto Lise
Age in 1910: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894 BirthPlace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Son
Year of Immigration: 1902

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Marcialise · Post by **Marcialise** » 14 Sep 2006, 22:05

I see.... getting more and more interesting. High possibilty the two records above contain the same Giuseppe Lise (tile layer, doesn't sound very glamorous does it! haha..)

My grandfather's name was William Anthony Lise which makes sense because boys often take his grandfather's name (Antonio Lise) don't they. But then this 1909 Ellis Island record (of Giuseppe Lise, whose father was Giuseppe too) is bothering.

mfjp · Post by **mfjp** » 14 Sep 2006, 22:13

Further on the 1902 manifest ....

Again these people were detained...

I just found the Record.... which will be posted shortly... it also has an address...

Maria

Essgee · Post by **Essgee** » 14 Sep 2006, 22:13

Have not read all the posts so this could be a repeat...

The marriage to a Paduano....a name from Ripabottoni....and the name di Ioia comes from that town as well......

think that Di Ioia might apply?

vj · Post by vj » 14 Sep 2006, 22:17

"But then this 1909 Ellis Island record (of Giuseppe Lise, whose father was Giuseppe too) is bothering."
re: father? Giuseppe
1912 Antonio manifest says uncle Giuseppe
1909 Giuseppe manifest says 'parent' Giuseppe

mfjp · Post by **mfjp** » 14 Sep 2006, 22:17

vj wrote:the 1902 manifest possibly belonging to Lise family
in New Rochelle on 1910 census:

possible 1902 manifest

(note: in 1910 Giuseppe is probably 19, occupation tial (tile?) setter -
similar to WW1 card)

I always pay attention to vj's post... best to follow up on her work!! Her work is awesome...

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Here's the 1902 Detained list...

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2515/tif2gif6wf0.gif

Bleeker St.??
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Here's the 1912 Alberto Lise Manifest for review (earlier posted...)

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 0970050437

joining father Antonio at 10 Carmine St.... leaves an Uncle Giuseppe in Italy....

Hi Essgee!

just noticed your post... will review too...

Maria

mfjp · Post by **mfjp** » 14 Sep 2006, 22:45

Occupation...

Mosaic Worker... (tile setter... wife mentioned is Emma)

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 0271%2ETIF

First Name: Antonia (should be Antonio...)
Last Name: Lise
Ethnicity: Italy, No. Italy
Last Place of Residence: New York, New York
Date of Arrival: Jul 06, 1908
Age at Arrival: 43y Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: New York
Port of Departure: Cherbourg, France
Manifest Line Number: 0008

Maria

mfjp · Post by **mfjp** » 14 Sep 2006, 22:57

Well.. I see that Antonio, Guiseppe and Angelo are brothers....

He will be joining Uncle Antonio on Macdougal St., leaves father Angelo behind in Italy

First Name: Marie Adelson (should be MARIO)
Last Name: Lise
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian North
Last Place of Residence: Meano, Italy
Date of Arrival: Dec 25, 1909
Age at Arrival: 18y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: La Touraine
Port of Departure: Havre
Manifest Line Number: 0020

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 0030%2ETIF

Maria

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