Help needed Military record Illinesi

[illinesi]

Hi.

I’ve created new thread to reflect we now know it’s a military record

[Tessa78]

Here is the related thread

https://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/language/41690

T.

[AngelaGrace56]

I've made a start here. These military records take some "unpacking" so it won't be perfect. This is sketch of what I'm understanding. I'm sure either Pippo or mmogno , who are pros at reading these, will take a look at it some time and make corrections for you. There's a couple of things I will be able to pick up on, hopefully, after a break from it.

29 October 1908 - Conscript First Category Class 1888 District of Piacenza and left in unlimited leave London Consolate

29 October 1908 - Called to service and didn't go because he was abroad

31 March 1909 - Postponed/Deferred? coming to service (as per?) No 9 of the Circular No 3519 of 1908
Called to the army and did not go without justified cause/reason?


1 April 1909 – Something to do with Foreign Service?


1 October 1909 - Declared a deserter, for not having justified, within the said period, of having his position ruled

1 October 1909 – Denounced such at the Military of Piacenza tribunal

11 August 1915 – Past ? At the Dep. Of the 26º Regiment Infantry awaiting trial?

20 August 1915 – Assigned in the 44º Regiment Infantry

12 November 1915 – Assigned in the 73º Regiment Infantry

12 November 1915 – Went in the territory declared in state of war

20 January 1917 – Left from the territory declared state of war because he was sick (because of illness)

11 March 1917 – Following a review he was given extended convalescing/recuperation time of six months

11 September 1917 – Reinstated in the corps

11 November 1917 – Assigned in the Reparto Mitragliatrici Fiat

11 November 1917 – Went in the territory decleared in state of war

19 June 1919 – Assigned in the Reparto Mitragliatrici Fiat Est.

19 June 1919 - Inviato in licenza illimitata attento della Circ. No. 335 del G.M. Del 1919 – I think this is another way of saying that he was posted on unlimited leave giving attention to the said Circular here (ie Circ.No 335 del G.M > Del 1919)?

Angela


Personal info translated on related thread by T :

Left column has personal information about Costantino
Son of N.N. (unknown)
and of N. N. (unknown
born 5 August 1888
in Cremona
Height 1.61 meters; chest o.87 meters
Hair color black, form smooth
Eyes brown
Color natural
teeth healthy
profession worker
He was able to read and write

https://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/language/41690

[AngelaGrace56]

I've made a start here. These military records take some "unpacking" so it won't be perfect. This is sketch of what I'm understanding. I'm sure either Pippo or mmogno , who are pros at reading these, will take a look at it some time and make corrections for you. There's a couple of things I will be able to pick up on, hopefully, after a break from it.

29 October 1908 - Conscript First Category Class 1888 District of Piacenza and left in unlimited leave London Consolate

29 October 1908 - Called to service and didn't go because he was abroad

31 March 1909 - Postponed/Deferred? coming to service (as per?) No 9 of the Circular No 3519 of 1908
Called to the army and did not go without justified cause/reason?


1 April 1909 – Something to do with Foreign Service?


1 October 1909 - Declared a deserter, for not having justified, within the said period, of having his position ruled

1 October 1909 – Denounced such at the Military of Piacenza tribunal

11 August 1915 – Past ? At the Dep. Of the 26º Regiment Infantry awaiting trial?

20 August 1915 – Assigned in the 44º Regiment Infantry

12 November 1915 – Assigned in the 73º Regiment Infantry

12 November 1915 – Went in the territory declared in state of war

20 January 1917 – Left from the territory declared state of war because he was sick (because of illness)

11 March 1917 – Following a review he was given extended convalescing/recuperation time of six months

11 September 1917 – Reinstated in the corps

11 November 1917 – Assigned in the Reparto Mitragliatrici Fiat

11 November 1917 – Went in the territory decleared in state of war

19 June 1919 – Assigned in the Reparto Mitragliatrici Fiat Est.

19 June 1919 - Inviato in licenza illimitata attento della Circ. No. 335 del G.M. Del 1919 – I think this is another way of saying that he was posted on unlimited leave giving attention to the said Circular here (ie Circ.No 335 del G.M > Del 1919)?

I missed a little at end:

31 December 1927 He was (definitely?) released from Service on 31 December 1927.

21 November 1929 - He was restored in an unlimited leave position due to legality (27 June 1929, N.1141 Circular Nol 415 of the 1929 military journal). .......​?

Campagna di Guerra (War Campaign) 1919???1949??? 1617? Not sure whether this relates to a medal earned, or another matter? Someone else will know.

Angela


Personal info translated on related thread by T :

Left column has personal information about Costantino
Son of N.N. (unknown)
and of N. N. (unknown
born 5 August 1888
in Cremona
Height 1.61 meters; chest o.87 meters
Hair color black, form smooth
Eyes brown
Color natural
teeth healthy
profession worker
He was able to read and write

https://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/language/41690

Angela

[illinesi]

Wow Angela. Thanks for this. Interestingly I know he came to London as he married his wife in 1911 (I have very) and they had a son ,my grandad, in 1912. At some point had his second son , in Italy, in 1923. That son is still alive and I hope to catch up with him soon.

[illinesi]

I meant cert not very ...

[AngelaGrace56]

Happy to help. Just watch this space as the translation may need some fine tuning. It's not always easy to get military terms correct. It's always good to have two people look at them.

Angela

[mmogno]

I've made a start here. These military records take some "unpacking" so it won't be perfect. This is sketch of what I'm understanding. I'm sure either Pippo or mmogno , who are pros at reading these, will take a look at it some time and make corrections for you. There's a couple of things I will be able to pick up on, hopefully, after a break from it.

29 October 1908 - Conscript First Category Class 1888 District of Piacenza and left in unlimited leave London Consolate

29 October 1908 - Called to service and didn't go because he was abroad
Postponed coming to service as per No 9 of the Circular No 3519 of 1908

31 March 1909 - Called to the army and did not go without justified cause

1 April 1909 – Sospesa la dichiarazione di diserzione fino al 30-9-1909: ?? 406 istruzione servizio leva estero


1 October 1909 - Declared a deserter, for not having justified, within the said period, of having his position ruled

1 October 1909 – Denounced such at the Military of Piacenza tribunal

11 August 1915 – Costituitosi al Distretto Militare di Piacenza. Passato aggregato al Dep(osito) of the 26º Regiment Infantry awaiting trial

20 August 1915 – Assigned in the 44º Regiment Infantry

12 November 1915 – Assigned in the 73º Regiment Infantry

12 November 1915 – Went in the territory declared in state of war

20 January 1917 – Left from the territory declared state of war because he was sick (because of illness)

11 March 1917 – Following a review he was given extended convalescing/recuperation time of six months

11 September 1917 – Reinstated in the corps

11 November 1917 – Assigned in the Reparto Mitragliatrici Fiat

11 November 1917 – Went in the territory decleared in state of war

19 June 1919 – Assigned in the Reparto Mitragliatrici Fiat Est.

19 June 1919 - Inviato in licenza illimitata assenso della Circ. No. 335 del G.M. del 1919 – I think this is another way of saying that he was posted on unlimited leave giving attention to the Circ.No 335 del G.M del 1919




Angela


Personal info translated on related thread by T :

Left column has personal information about Costantino
Son of N.N. (unknown)
and of N. N. (unknown
born 5 August 1888
in Cremona
Height 1.61 meters; chest o.87 meters
Hair color black, form smooth
Eyes brown
Color natural
teeth healthy
profession worker
He was able to read and write

https://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/language/41690

[illinesi]

Thank you so much

[AngelaGrace56]

I've made a start here. These military records take some "unpacking" so it won't be perfect. This is sketch of what I'm understanding. I'm sure either Pippo or mmogno , who are pros at reading these, will take a look at it some time and make corrections for you. There's a couple of things I will be able to pick up on, hopefully, after a break from it.

29 October 1908 - Conscript First Category Class 1888 District of Piacenza and left in unlimited leave London Consolate

29 October 1908 - Called to service and didn't go because he was abroad
Postponed coming to service as per No 9 of the Circular No 3519 of 1908

31 March 1909 - Called to the army and did not go without justified cause

1 April 1909 – Sospesa la dichiarazione di diserzione fino al 30-9-1909: ?? 406 istruzione servizio leva estero


1 October 1909 - Declared a deserter, for not having justified, within the said period, of having his position ruled

1 October 1909 – Denounced such at the Military of Piacenza tribunal

11 August 1915 – Costituitosi al Distretto Militare di Piacenza. Passato aggregato al Dep(osito) of the 26º Regiment Infantry awaiting trial

20 August 1915 – Assigned in the 44º Regiment Infantry

12 November 1915 – Assigned in the 73º Regiment Infantry

12 November 1915 – Went in the territory declared in state of war

20 January 1917 – Left from the territory declared state of war because he was sick (because of illness)

11 March 1917 – Following a review he was given extended convalescing/recuperation time of six months

11 September 1917 – Reinstated in the corps

11 November 1917 – Assigned in the Reparto Mitragliatrici Fiat

11 November 1917 – Went in the territory decleared in state of war

19 June 1919 – Assigned in the Reparto Mitragliatrici Fiat Est.

19 June 1919 - Inviato in licenza illimitata assenso della Circ. No. 335 del G.M. del 1919 – I think this is another way of saying that he was posted on unlimited leave giving attention to the Circ.No 335 del G.M del 1919




Angela


Personal info translated on related thread by T :

Left column has personal information about Costantino
Son of N.N. (unknown)
and of N. N. (unknown
born 5 August 1888
in Cremona
Height 1.61 meters; chest o.87 meters
Hair color black, form smooth
Eyes brown
Color natural
teeth healthy
profession worker
He was able to read and write

https://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/language/41690

Thank you for checking this, m. So you've just made three adjustments that I can see. Great. I'm happy about that.

Angela

[mmogno]

I missed a little at end:

?? AGO 19?? Tale iscritto nel ruolo 71-13 della forza in congedo fanteria del Distretto Militare di Piacenza

Verificato lì 26/??/????
Il Capo Sezione

31 December 1927 Prosciolto definitivamente dal servizio = He was definitely released from Service on 31 December 1927.

Ripristinato nella condizione di congedo illimitato per effetto della legge 27 Giugno .....
He was restored in an unlimited leave position due to law 27 June 1929, N.1141, Circular No 415 of the 1929 military journal

21 November 1929 Tale iscritto nel ruolo 71-13 della forza in congedo fanteria del Distretto Militare di Parma

Campagna di Guerra (War Campaign) 1915 16 17
Autorizzato a fregiarsi della medaglia commemorativa nazionale della guerra 1915 – 1918 (RD 1241 del 29/7/1920) e ad apporre sul nastro della medaglia le fascette corrispondenti degli anni di guerra. Autorizzato a fregiarsi della medaglia interalleata della Vittoria (RD del 16/12/1920). Concessione n° 108074

Collocato in congedo assoluto per ??? dal servizio 1 - 2 - 1946
Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Thank you for filling in the gaps, m. I'll have a closer look at this later.

Angela