Searching For a Possible Marriage For Angelo Franconeri of New York and Florida

[siskojnash]

Angelo Franconeri was born on August 28, 1916 in Brooklyn, I think. He died on January 30, 2003 in Spring Hill, Florida. His parents were Luigi Franconeri and Giuseppina Grano. His sisters were Michelina, Angelina, and Rose. His brothers were Alfred, Frank, and John.
His wife was Concetta D'Errico, who lived from 1916 to 1993. Funny enough, I came across another female connection for Angelo, to a Lillian O'Brien. I found one who was born abt 1918 and died in 2009. I don't know if that's the correct person. I tried to look through my notes to figure out how I came across the proof of this connection and couldn't find anything. Recently, his daughter was contacted by a half-sister through this connection, so there really was a connection between Angelo Franconeri and Lillian O'Brien. I suspect now that my birth and death dates for Lillian above may be wrong, because Angelo and Concetta had their first child in 1942. Supposedly, this relationship between Angelo and Lillian happened before he was with Concetta.
Could someone please help me to find documents supporting the connection between Lillian and Angelo? I would particularly like to find out whether or not they were ever married. Thank you so much for your time.

[siskojnash]

There was at least one daughter, Joan Sulano, who was born in September 1936. We think she may have been born in Brooklyn, but aren't sure. Joan's maiden name was Franconeri, though.

[Tessa78]

From the NYC Marriage Index...

Franconeri Angelo Jun 13 1936 #8919 Kings
Bruzi Teresa Jun 13 1936 #8919 Kings

T.

[siskojnash]

Thank you! That's sure a surprise. Is there any way to be sure that this is the same Angelo Franconeri? It doesn't mean anything, but in the 1940 census, he was living with his mom and family and was listed as single. Of course, that same census listed one child as age 7 when he was actually 1. It would be something if this is the same Angelo, since his daughter was born from another woman about 2 1/2 months after the marriage date.
I got a copy of the birth certificate for Joan Lillian Franconeri. She was born in Brooklyn in August 1936. The names of the parents given are Angelo Franconeri and Lillian Reisner. I was told that Reisner is actually a married name. Someone, probably Joan herself, tried to do a search for a birth certificate around about the time she turned 20. The father's name was listed as Vincent Clinton, who seems to have been the father she knew, since she gave her name with the name Clinton. It came up as a failed search. Is there anything that can be found out about Lillian O'Brien with this information? I was told that O'Brien is the actual maiden name, although Joan went by the name Reisner because of her brother.

[Tessa78]

You can request a copy of the above marriage certificate for Angelo and Teresa (for a fee) at this site
https://www1.nyc.gov/dorforms/marriagecert.htm

T.

[erudita74]

I am inclined to think that the Angelo who married Teresa is not the correct one. On family search, there is another Angelo Franconeri who was born on June 14, 1913 and died Nov 4, 1937. On the 1940 census, he is found living in NJ with wife Theresa. If you look at the census, it shows that she was born in Italy and had lived in Brooklyn, NY. So I think on the 1940 census, it could be the couple who married in Bklyn in 1936 and not your Angelo. You would need a copy of the marriage record though, with his parents' names hopefully, to eliminate the 1936 marriage as his.
Erudita

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K4YH-Y6V
Angelo Franconeri
United States Census, 1940
Name: Angelo Franconeri
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1940
Event Place: Ward 1, Plainfield, Plainfield City, Union, New Jersey, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 26
Marital Status: Married
Race (Original): White
Race: White
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: New Jersey
Birth Year (Estimated): 1914
Last Place of Residence: Rural, Bayonne, New Jersey
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Angelo Franconeri Head M 26 New Jersey
Theresa Fronconeri Wife F 26 Italy

[suanj]

Hi,
I don't know if helpful, but I found a 1940 census abt a:

Joan Clinton
United States Census, 1940

Name: Joan Clinton
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1940
Event Place: Assembly District 16, Brooklyn, New York City, Kings, New York, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 3
Marital Status: Single
Race (Original): White
Race: White
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Daughter
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Brooklyn
Birth Year (Estimated): 1937

Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Lillian Clinton Head F 22 Brooklyn
Howard Clinton Son M 5 Brooklyn
Joan Clinton Daughter F 3 Brooklyn

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89MY-594B
it could be the right Lillian and Joan? This Lillian on the record appearing widow..
it could be possible that Angelo Franconeri never married Lillian?
Regards,
suanj

[Tessa78]

Great find, suanj!

The address on the census for Lillian Clinton is in the same neighborhood as the address for the Franconeri family in Brooklyn, only several blocks away.

T.

[suanj]

Thanks Tessa!
Hugs,
suanj

[siskojnash]

Thank you! I think there were censuses for Lillian O'Brien before 1940, but I don't have a subscription to be able to get those documents. Could those ones be the same woman? And could they have been also living in the same neighborhood?

[suanj]

I believe that the person in this 1930 census is your Lillian:

Lillian Riesner

United States Census, 1930

Name: Lillian Riesner
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1930
Event Place: Brooklyn (Districts 1251-1500), Kings, New York, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 12
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Race (Original): White
Relationship to Head of Household: Stepdaughter
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Stepdaughter
Birth Year (Estimated): 1918
Birthplace: New York
Father's Birthplace: New York
Mother's Birthplace: Massachusetts

Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
James W Obrien Head M 30 New York
Lillian Obrien Wife F 30 Massachusetts
Irving Riesner Stepson M 14 New York
Lillian Riesner Stepdaughter F 12 New York

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4JP-9PV
the Lillian brother family in 1940 census:


Irving Reisner

United States Census, 1940

Name: Irving Reisner
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1940
Event Place: Assembly District 16, Brooklyn, New York City, Kings, New York, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 25
Marital Status: Married
Race (Original): White
Race: White
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: New York
Birth Year (Estimated): 1915
Last Place of Residence: Same House

Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Irving Reisner Head M 25 New York
Helen Reisner Wife F 22 Norway
Helen Reisner Daughter F 2 New York
James Fortier Foster-son M 3 New York
Lillian O'Brien Mother-in-law F 40 Massachusetts ( step mother)
James O'Brien Father-in-law M 38 New York (step father)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89MY-59H1
best,
suanj

[suanj]

Hi, here the Irving Reisner marriage record:
Reisner Irving Nov 4 1936 19625 (1936) Kings 1684985 Wetteland, Helen
I believe that Lillian don't was married, almost until 1937.. on line, the marriage records arriving just until 1937..
suanj

[suanj]

if this is the right Irving Reisner, well by his obit, the sister name:
Irving C Reisner
United States, GenealogyBank Obituaries
Deceased
Name: Irving C Reisner
Event Type: Obituary
Event Place: Massachusetts, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 75
Relationship to Deceased: Deceased
Birth Year (Estimated): 1915
Death Place: Brooklyn, , New York
Spouse and Children
Anna T Leonard-Allard Reisner Wife Female
George Allard Son Male
Leonard Allard Son Male
Francis Allard Son Male

Parents and Siblings

Lillian Taschetti Sister Female

---------------
Lillian Taschetti
United States Social Security Death Index

birth:

29 December 1917

death:

19 April 2009

Brooklyn, Kings, New york


seeming the right Lillian...
suanj

[Tessa78]

Hi, suanj!

I believe you are correct!!!

Here is the 1930 US Census - with all the participants mentioned by the poster.
Living in Brooklyn - Lillian Reisner is the daughter of Lillian O'Brien and step-daughter of James O'Brien. Sister of Irving Reisner
This is in the same neighborhood as the 1940 Census.
Name: Lillian Riesner
Birth Year: abt 1918
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: New York
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Stepdaughter (Daughter)
Homemaker?: Yes
Home in 1930: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Map of Home: View Map
Street address: Bath-Avenue
Ward of City: 16th Assembly District pt
Block: B
House Number in Cities or Towns: 1641
Dwelling Number: 60
Family Number: 122
Attended School: Yes
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: New York
Mother's Birthplace: Massachusetts
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James W Obrien 30
Lillian Obrien 30
Irving Riesner 14
Lillian Riesner 12

T.

[suanj]

important and wonderful detail!
So Lillian senior married at.. Reisner, had 2 children, Irving and Lillian, and then married at James O'Brien.. it is correct... seeming the right family... I don't understand why I cannot find Lillian Reisner marriage record... no by Reisner maiden name, no by O'Brien maiden name...
hugs,
suanj