Mother and son ages seem impossible

[rp76226]

Here's the link to the marriage of Calogero Lattuca to Concetta Puma (or is that last name right). It appears that Calogero is 25 and his mother is 36, which would make her 11 years old when he was born. Can't be right. Please review the ages.

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 1.jpg.html

[Tessa78]

There is no link posted

T.

[rp76226]

Just fixed that. Thanks. I think I can use help on all the names. handwriting is faded.

[liviomoreno]

This is what I read:

Calogero Lattuca, 25yo(?), was the son of Vincenzo (who died 51yo) and of Francesca Savello (who died 36yo)
Maria Concetta Puma, 17yo, was the daughter of Michelangelo (who died 70yo) and of Vincenza Danaro (who died 30yo)

[Tessa78]

This is what I read:

Calogero Lattuca, 25yo(?), residing in Racalmuto in the Santa Croce neighborhood, was the son of Vincenzo (who died 51yo) and of Francesca Savello (who died 36yo)
Maria Concetta Puma, 17yo, was the daughter of Maestro Michelangelo (who died 70yo) a tailor, and of Vincenza Danaro (I am reading Vaccaro) (who died 30yo)

Just giving the read a second set of eyes... and adding to Livio's post above.

The date of record is 17 January 1832 - and the date of church celebration is 26 January.

On the second and third pages... documents provided to the official:
1 - Birth act of the groom dated 26 October 1811 in Racalmuto (the groom was age 20 at the marriage)
2 - Birth act of the bride dated 25 February 1814
3 - Act of death of father of the groom on 26 November 1831(?)
4 - Act of death of the mother of the groom - 17 January 1831
5 - Act of death of Calogero Lattuca, grandfather of the groom - 18 (no month given) 1810
6 - Act of death of the father of the bride - 27 February 1831
7 - Act of death of the mother of the bride - 18 December 1823
8 - Act of death of Girlando(?) Puma, grandfather of the bride - 26 February 1805
9 - The consent of the family council dated 10 January 1832
10 - The act of notification (banns were on 4 December 1831) showing no opposition to the marriage.

T.

[rp76226]

Great information. Thank you. One more question. The more I look at it, especially the church record which is much clearer, the more it seems to me that the last name is Pomo, not Puma. Agree?

Ron

[Tessa78]

Great information. Thank you. One more question. The more I look at it, especially the church record which is much clearer, the more it seems to me that the last name is Pomo, not Puma. Agree?

Ron

The right column (church record) does not mention the names of the spouses... just the witnesses and official.

Here is the death act #44 (died 27 February 1831) of Maestro Michelangelo Pomo, age 70, tailor.
Indeed, the surname looks like it is POMO.
In addition, his wife's surname appears as "alfano"???

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

***ADD
Here is the death act of Vincenza Vaccaro, age 37, in December 1823 (mother of the bride) (#281)
Some confusion here??? she is listed as the wife of Maestro Domenico Pomo.
There are no parents listed for her.
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

T.

[rp76226]

First, per the death record of Michelangelo Pomo, it appears that he died at age 80, not 70 as indicated in the marriage record of his daughter.
Second, the death record you gave for Vincenza Vaccaro has her married to a Domenico Pomo instead of a Michelangelo Pomo. Therefore, I don't think that she is related. So Vincenza Alfano appears to be the correct wife per this church record

https://s18.postimg.org/ub5i3g2ih/Puma_ ... ro_288.jpg

[Tessa78]

First, per the death record of Michelangelo Pomo, it appears that he died at age 80, not 70 as indicated in the marriage record of his daughter.
Second, the death record you gave for Vincenza Vaccaro has her married to a Domenico Pomo instead of a Michelangelo Pomo. Therefore, I don't think that she is related. So Vincenza Alfano appears to be the correct wife per this church record

https://s18.postimg.org/ub5i3g2ih/Puma_ ... ro_288.jpg

If you check Livio's translation, Michelangelo Pomo died at age 70yo as stated in the marriage record.
The death act I posted clearly states his age at death as "d'anni settanta" - 70yo.

There is defintely a question as to the Vincenza Vaccaro/Alfano surname. The date of death is the same as the one stated in the marriage documents. There is a POSSIBILITY that the clerk made an error on the first name of the deceased's husband.

When translating the marriage act, it was clear to me that the surname was Vaccaro... The surnames Vaccaro AND Alfano both exist in the Comune of Racalmuto. Danaro does not.

While I can see that the church record gives the surname as Alfano, I am not convinced (yet) that this is not the correct Vincenza in the death record. Unless an incorrect record was included with the allegati for the marriage.

T.

[liviomoreno]

I rechecked the origin marriage record and confirm that Vincenza's surname is Vaccaro and not Denaro...

[Tessa78]

I rechecked the origin marriage record and confirm that Vincenza's surname is Vaccaro and not Denaro...

Grazie, Livio!

I also just rechecked Michelangelo's death act... he was "vedovo in secondo loco di Vincenza Alfano"

T.

[rp76226]

I think now you are saying that Vincenzo Alfano was the first wife and that Vincenza Vaccaro was the second wife. Correct? Denaro was a typo on my part; it should have read Vaccaro, the name I had on my family tree.
I agree on age 70 now.

[Tessa78]

Here is the Second posting of banns for Calogero and Concetta's marriage...

Calogero Lattuca is age 20; son of Vincenzo and of Francesca Savello (both deceased)
Maria Concetta Pomo is age 17; daughter of Maestro Michelangelo and of Vincenza Vaccaro (both deceased)

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

To answer your question... it is my understanding that when Michelangelo died in 1831, he was the widower in the second place of Vincenza Alfano - as she was his second wife, the other (Vaccaro) having died in 1823, as indicated in her daughter's allegati.

I am looking for a death act for the second wife... Vincenza Alfano (after 1823 and before 1831 ) to verify.

T.

[carubia]

Even if the name is Pomo in the record that's just a variant of Puma. Pomo, Pumo, Puma, Poma, La Puma, etc. All are variant spellings of the same name, deriving from the word for apple.

[rp76226]

Thank you. My father always said our name translated to apple. I didn't realize that there were multiple variants of the name.