Not sure how I would check that. Fortunately, a person one of the older Popes married also relates to my Tree, so that I can relate to all of them now and don't have to delete any of them even after cutting off one set of Popes with the mother too old to have a child from the other sets of Popes.

Thank you very much!!!!

Ron

Yes, Rubino. Thank you. I think I found Antonia Cicerale's birth record, which if true, solves the riddle. Would prefer the marriage record for proof positive versus strong probability. I have it up for translation here in case more than the parents and grandparents are there in its long hand, no fo...

Please translate the birth record for the key genealogical facts for Antonia Cicerale # 18. Also, what does the side note mean?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=124484

Birth record of Filomena Cicerale # 154. I think the mother is 28 or could that be 18?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=124484

Thinking again about the new child, Michelangelo, without his Cicerale mother to confirm it is from the same family, cannot be sure if it is indeed a new child. Tried looking through the 1893 civil records for this birth record, but can't find Torremaggiore. They have all the comunes of Foggia scram...

Thank you for continuing to try and for the new child found. I still don't understand why the Catalog data on Torremaggiore isn't found in the Search Data by region, province, and town. I normally rely on the search data for civil records since all the Italian privinces are listed in one place in al...

Thanks Tessa for the new information.

On Michele's birth record, is the mother's surname Pilloli? Also, what does the side note say?

On Grazia Maria's birth record, is the mother's surname Piano?

Suanj, not sure what you are saying to me about 1890. The records for Torremaggiore go past 1890 in both directions. Look for the unlocked camera icons. See link - https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/124484?availability=Family%20History%20Library Multiple comunes form Foggia are shown for ea...

Felice Rubino and Antonia/Antoinette Cicerale had a child Filomena on April 26, 1897 in Torremaggiore, Foggia, Italy. She is the oldest child for the couple that we know of. Believe that they would have married in Torremaggiore prior to that. My search so far hasn't found their marriage record, but ...

Yes, thank you again.

Thanks very much Tessa.

Please translate the key genealogical facts for the following marriage record of Saverio Cicerale and Felicia Lembo:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=124484

I found the marriage of Saverio Cicerale and Felicia Lembo and it confirms what I had been told - Antonio and Carolina Cicerale are first cousins.

After re-reviewing my last post, logically, if the Saverio Cicerale - Felicia Lembo marriage record or the death record for Saverio Cicerale, each of which would confirm his wife to indicate that it is truly the right Saverio Cicerale, we would be able to prove or disprove their relationship (Caroli...