Antonio Soro born about 1885-1886

[suanj]

finally: at 333 corso Umberto I Roma IT was the Italian Society of Patents office
http://augusto.digitpa.gov.it/gazzette/ ... 1912046_FI

[PeterTimber]

The Australian Authorities forwarded the extent of their files on Antomio Soro which I attempted to send to you and Lutherman but has been ERASED from this forum without explanation nor with my permission. Accordingly I only can offer to send the copies of the document(s) I received if you let me know where I should send them... As for the violators of my freedom of speech I can only regret such coarse action was taken. Peter

[Lutherman]

Peter, please send the documents to my email
stumpednomore at gmail dot com

I appreciate this very much!

Scott Robertson

[PeterTimber]

I will send asap. Peter

[Lutherman]

finally: at 333 corso Umberto I Roma IT was the Italian Society of Patents office
http://augusto.digitpa.gov.it/gazzette/ ... 1912046_FI

This must have been the address of Antonio's patent attorney. This makes sense, for example if an inventor in the US wants a patent it might help if he had a patent attorney in Washington, DC the capitol, who was close to the government patent office.

Thanks for sending the patent documents. In the gazette, the application and granting of the patent were both published. This is the same invention he patented in Switzerland and New Zealand at the same time, so his family must have had some money. He applied for patents in over a dozen different countries.

[Lutherman]

Again in the government newspaper of 30 may 1914..
the same infos, but NO for to apply; he no payed the tax of patent from 30 June 1913

ELENCO N. 229 (3° trimestre 1913) degli attestati di privativa industriale con decorrenza dal 30 giugno per i quali non risulta pagata la tassa annuale a tutto il 30 settembre 1913 (art. 85 del regolamento 31 gennaio 1864, n. 1674).

LIST # 229 (3rd quarter 1913) of certificates of industrial property with effect from June 30, for which it is not paid the annual fee in whole September 30, 1913 (article. Regulation 85 of the 31 January 1864, n. 1674).

Suanj, you are right, it looks like Antonio failed to pay an annual fee to keep the patent active. By this time (September 1913) he had already gotten in trouble for his desperate publicity stunt, and a little later in December he started accusing his investors the Guiliano family of stealing his secret part back on June 23, 1912. The December 1913 news gives some details showing that possibly he was in debt to the Guilianos for patent fees in 18 countries, and they were trying to take over the ownership of the invention because of this.

The murder took place later, on September 14, 1914.

[Lutherman]

on familysearch.org are the civil records just of some commune in Sassari province..

I am looking for these records on famiysearch.org but I haven't found them yet.

[PeterTimber]

4 page transmission sent 10/10/2014 1:16 PM re: SORO Antonio

Peter

[suanj]

Just by effort of PeterTimber we can know more.. as soon the pages arriving, maybe we can know the birthplace ( hoping more precise than Sardinia or Italy)
best,
suanj

[Lutherman]

The information they sent Peter (4 pages) was only general info they printed from their own website. It is regarding the general purpose of "Series D1915". I have also asked specific questions of the National Archives regarding all six of the files that are most relevant...below I've copied a quote from my post here of Oct 2...I am awaiting a response from the Archives, and will post it to Dropbox.com when it arrives so that all may see. Hopefully it will be helpful.

If Antonio was found living again in Australia in 1928, ten years after being deported, it is surprising that this did not make the newspaper headlines. It might be worth another newspaper search. Sometimes things get missed by search engines due to faulty OCR.

This website has free newspapers from Australia: trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/10659837

from Oct 2:

Peter,
Thanks for your valuable assistance. I had collected six file records from the Australia archives...Here are the main points of the six file records in Australia archives:

Item details for: D1915, SA1893
Title SORO Antonio - alleged Italian murderer
Contents date range 1928 - 1928
Series number D1915
Access status Open
Physical format PAPER FILES AND DOCUMENTS (allocated at series level)

Item details for: B741, V/4497
Title Antonio Soro - Report of
Contents date range 1927 - 1929
Series number B741
Access status Not yet examined
Physical format PAPER FILES AND DOCUMENTS (allocated at series level)

Item details for: MT269/1, VIC/PORTUGAL/SORO ANTONIO
Title SORO Antonio: Nationality - Italian [Portuguese]: Date of Birth - 17 June 1884: Arrived per MONCALIERI: First registered at Melbourne
Contents date range 1921 - 1921
Series number MT269/1
Access status Open
Physical format PAPER FILES AND DOCUMENTS (allocated at series level)
Extent 1 folio

Item details for: SP908/1, ITALIAN/SORO ANTONIO
Title Antonio Soro [date of birth: 17 Jun 1884] [Italian - arrived Melbourne, 1908; date of arrival and ship not known. Box 1122]
Contents date range 1908 - 1948
Series number SP908/1
Access status Open
Physical format PAPER FILES AND DOCUMENTS (allocated at series level)

Item details for: C123, 2415
Title Soro, Antonio (Italian - naturalised British subject) [9 pp; box 49]
Contents date range 1940 - 1945
Series number C123
Access status Open
Physical format PAPER FILES AND DOCUMENTS (allocated at series level)

Item details for: SP11/2, ITALIAN/SORO A
Title Antonio Soro [Italian - arrived Melbourne - ship's name and date of disembarkation unknown. Box 155]
Contents date range 1939 - 1945
Series number SP11/2
Access status Open
Physical format PAPER FILES AND DOCUMENTS (allocated at series level)
Extent 5 pp

[PeterTimber]

I may have to defer my comments to your website rather than here. I am very glad that the entire law enforcement records appear to be in your possession. Perhaps the research agents in Adelaide might be helpful to your efforts both individual and organizations which I will send to your e-mail address. Peter

[Lutherman]

Thanks Peter, I got your email.

[PeterTimber]

I hope when you get access to the contents of the files themselves you will be able to furnish the precise birthplace for Antonio Soros in Italy and whatever else she needs. I am now diverting my attention in behalf of Suanj efforts in that regard. Thanks to you Lutherman I have become a whiz bang tour guide of the OZ National Archives. I am at your service. Peter

[PeterTimber]

Dear Suanj I am going to try to zero in on this immediate problem of the precise birthplace. Is there anyplace I should concentrate my efforts? Adelaide seems promising since this is where all the files seem to have come together. I will send a PM Peter

[PeterTimber]

Suanj is it possible he was a stowaway on the Oroya? A sailor on board would easily hide him for a short tirp. Peter