Looking for Search Advice, Tips and Best Practices

[dpv]

I have read through a variety of posts on this forum. There are really good and fast people always available to help.

I am looking for advice on my ancestral search.

I have a direct ancestor that came from Petina in Salerno. He was born in 1855 (I have his birth certificate) and came to the US in about 1880. I am trying to flesh out his siblings, uncles, etc. I assume the strategy is to use birth, marriage and death records.

From what I can tell, there is available on-line access to files at this site (http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.it/?lang=en) and I have already used it. The problem I have, however, is that there are only end-of-year indexes for a few years and, thus, I have to search through each document in each year to find the surname I am looking for. This seems incredibly time-intensive. However, when I read some of the responses on the forum, some people are able to obtain information incredibly quickly. This leads me to believe that I am missing some crucial, time-savings steps.

Any and all feedback, advice, tips, etc. would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Don Visco

[rlw254]

What I do in this scenario is download the entire year so that I can flip through pages very quickly with my arrow keys. When you have an easy time reading the records you can train your eyes on a single spot on the page containing a parent's name, for example, and scan the year very quickly.

[Tessa78]

Alas, the genealogical journey is not a sprint, but a marathon.

Good tip given above by rlw.

When there are no indices available, it is necessary to search page by page. Those of us who appear to be "quicker" have experience in knowing where to look on the page to move quickly. You will also learn to do this in time.

In the meantime, we can help search if you wish.
Is this your ancestor? Giovanni Visco, born 22 March 1855 to Domenico Antonio Visco son of Giovanni] and to Angela D'Amato.
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

Here is the marriage of Giovanni Visco and Maria Concetta Buonascita in 1879 on 20 March
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=719672

Here is the marriage of a daughter of Domenico Antonio and Angela - her name is Caterina Visco and she is age 25 at her marriage in 1885. This puts her birth about 1858.
#11
Rocco Scala and Caterina Visco
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=719672

T.

[dpv]

rlw254: How do you download an entire year at once? Or do you download the entire year one JPEG at a time and then review them? I hope it is possible to download an entire year at once, but I could not see how to do this.

Tessa78: Yes...that's the right Giovanni Visco. I have gone through the birth records from 1813 to 1819 already and am working on 1822 (apparently 1820 and 1821 are not available). I would be a fool to refuse help, so if you did want to help, perhaps working on the marriages or death notices would be useful.

Any other additional advice would be appreciated.

Thanks, all!

Don

[Tessa78]

I have just added two marriages above -

Giovanni Visco born about 1855, married in 1879

Caterina Visco born about 1858, married in 1885.

T.

[erudita74]

from the Lista di Leva for the town of Petina in Salerno Province-a few related-the dates might help you locate some of the records

http://www.archiviodistatosalerno.benic ... te-di-leva

serie: Leva
comuneleva: Petina
progressivo: 10
leva: 1842
cognome: Visco
paternità: Carmine e Scala Rachele
nuovanascita: 06/07/1842
località di nascita: Petina
professione: bracciale
4
serie: Leva
comuneleva: Petina
progressivo: 20
leva: 1865
cognome: Visco
nome: Pietro
paternità: Domenico e D'Amato Angela
nuovanascita: 29/06/1865
località di nascita: Petina
5
serie: Leva
comuneleva: Petina
progressivo: 17
leva: 1855
cognome: Visco
nome: Giovanni
paternità: Domenicantonio e D'Amato Angela
nuovanascita: 22/03/1855
località di nascita: Petina
professione: contadino
5
serie: Leva
comuneleva: Petina
progressivo: 20
leva: 1891
cognome: Visco
nome: Alessandro Domenico
paternità: Pietro e D'Auria Domenica
nuovanascita: 30/06/1891
località di nascita: Petina
professione: contadino
6
serie: Leva
comuneleva: Petina
progressivo: 26
leva: 1856
cognome: Visco
nome: Giovanni
paternità: Domenicantonio e D'Amato Angela
nuovanascita: 22/03/1855
località di nascita: Petina
professione: contadino
7
serie: Estrazione
comuneleva: Polla
progressivo: 82
leva: 1888
cognome: Visco
nome: Pasquale
paternità: Pietro e D'Anzia Domenica
nuovanascita: 23/12/1888
località di nascita: Petina
professione: manca

[dpv]

from the Lista di Leva for the town of Petina in Salerno Province-a few related-the dates might help you locate some of the records

http://www.archiviodistatosalerno.benic ... te-di-leva


serie: Leva
comuneleva: Petina
progressivo: 17
leva: 1855
cognome: Visco
nome: Giovanni
paternità: Domenicantonio e D'Amato Angela
nuovanascita: 22/03/1855
località di nascita: Petina
professione: contadino
5
serie: Leva
comuneleva: Petina
progressivo: 26
leva: 1856
cognome: Visco
nome: Giovanni
paternità: Domenicantonio e D'Amato Angela
nuovanascita: 22/03/1855
località di nascita: Petina
professione: contadino

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

I have quoted two of the items you listed. They would seem to be the same person. What do you think is the reason for the two records?

[erudita74]

Yes, these are the same person, since the names and dates of birth match. The lista di leva was compiled from the birth and baptism registers for the year in which the individual was born. The only thing I see that is different is that, next to the word "progressivo," there is a different number. So I am thinking that perhaps there had been an omission or error of some sort in the 1855 extraction (the original lista di leva) which was then rectified the following year, or in 1856. Hopefully another volunteer on this forum can help you further with this issue.
Erudita

[dpv]

Thank you, Erudita.

Regarding Pietro Visco (listed in Erudita's post), it says he was born on June 29, 1865. Is there anywhere that this particular birth certificate is available on line? The Petina sources I use seem to only go up to 1857...but perhaps I am missing something.

Thanks in advance,

Don

[erudita74]

Don
Always check the town in the family search.org catalog because sometimes you can access records there that aren't on the antenati website. Unfortunately not for 1865.
Erudita

[Italysearcher]

rlw254: How do you download an entire year at once? Or do you download the entire year one JPEG at a time and then review them? I hope it is possible to download an entire year at once, but I could not see how to do this.

Tessa78: Yes...that's the right Giovanni Visco. I have gone through the birth records from 1813 to 1819 already and am working on 1822 (apparently 1820 and 1821 are not available). I would be a fool to refuse help, so if you did want to help, perhaps working on the marriages or death notices would be useful.

Any other additional advice would be appreciated.

Thanks, all!

Don

Its not legal to download large quantities of images. When you click 'I agree' at the start that is what you are ageeing to (in part)

[JCM]

Hello Researchers,

I would like to know how to access familysearch.org antenati records. I have no luck researching thru FS for Italian records of any kind. I have an account and a family tree on FS but don’t seem to be doing the searching correctly. I wind up going on Antenati site myself and doing a search...have been somewhat successful finding records but as others have noted yearly indexes not available for all years or records. I read here that you can download Antenati records to search offline but I am a dummy and need instructions on how to do this.

I am looking for birth, marriage and death records for my GGF and GGM, Carmine Saporito, born 3/15/1849, in Sicignano, Salerno to Giovanni and Alphonse Maria Todino and his wife, Dominica Carullo, probably born in Sicignano also. I am pretty sure they both died in Avellino, Avellino tho. The birth records for before 1860 have no indexes that I can find to search for Domenica.

Your expertise is greatly appreciated!!!

JCM

[Tessa78]

Here is the birth of Carmine Saporito in Sicignano on 30 March 1849.
Born to Giovanni Saporito and Alfonsa Todini.
Annotation of Marriage on 3 May 1879 with Filomena D'Aprile(?)

#32
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... 1.jpg.html

T.

[JCM]

Tessa,
Thx so much for this info. I greatly appreciate your help.

Another family tree on FS also has Carmine marrying a Filomena D’Apice, not Domenica Carullo. Carmine daughter, my grandmother, NYC 1917 marriage index lists Domenica as her mother....not Filomena. All I know is that my grandmother’s, born 1896, real mother died when she was a toddler in late 1890s per her surviving children family history.

I have the birth records for my grandmother and Domenica is listed as mother for her and her 4 siblings in antenati birth records....all born between 1882 and 1898.

So if Carmine married Filomena in 1879 WHERE DID DOMENICA come from????..and why isn’t Filomena the mother of his children.
Unless Filomena died and he married Domenica before first child born in 1882.

I am sooo confused! Carmine life is making me crazy.

JCM

[JCM]

Hello researchers.... am looking for birth of Domenica Carullo, born circa 1859 in Avellino commune, daughter of Vincenzo Carullo and Maria Genea?? (Spelling?) of Avellino. She died in Avellino in August 1899 at 40 yrs old and was wife of Carmine Saporito.
The Antenati birth records start in 1866 for Avellino but are available thru LDS Family History library prior to 1866. I can’t access this Library since not an LDS member and local Library offices are closed due to COVID. Any other way to access this info?

Thx,

JCM