finding death record for a woman when you don't know maiden name

carolc · Post by **carolc** » 22 Jul 2022, 22:53

Hi

A family member's second wife died in Grottaminarda in 1848 but I don't know her first or maiden name. Since records list the deceased women by their maiden name and the index has father, not spouse, how else can I find her name? Is this a dead end or is their something I can do. other than looking at 92 pages of documents.

MarcuccioV · Post by **MarcuccioV** » 22 Jul 2022, 23:23

carolc wrote: 22 Jul 2022, 22:53 Hi

A family member's second wife died in Grottaminarda in 1848 but I don't know her first or maiden name. Since records list the deceased women by their maiden name and the index has father, not spouse, how else can I find her name? Is this a dead end or is their something I can do. other than looking at 92 pages of documents.

You will have to scan the death acts of that year for that commune (if you believe that info is correct). In most communes the spouse's name (whether living or deceased) should be included in the record. I know of no shortcuts if her name is not on any records of your relative...

AngelaGrace56 · Post by **AngelaGrace56** » 23 Jul 2022, 03:50

Do you not have her husband's death record?

How do you know she died in 1848?

Maybe we can help. Can you tell us more - some names and dates would be helpful. Ta.

Angela

Tessa78 · Post by **Tessa78** » 23 Jul 2022, 06:30

You also might try to find the marriage act.

T.

carolc · Post by **carolc** » 23 Jul 2022, 14:58

Hi

AngelaGrace you will remember this. the marriage record of Domenico Migliarese indicates he died on his deathbed. The record also says he was widowed since 1848 so I thought I would try and find his second spouse. Hopefully this link works and takes you back to that original thread.

https://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/ ... 82#p299279

PippoM · Post by **PippoM** » 23 Jul 2022, 17:25

Can you look for some child's marriage, if any?

carolc · Post by **carolc** » 23 Jul 2022, 20:05

The children I found are all with his first wife and their marriage records don't name a step mother, only their birth mother. Guess I will just go through each of the 90+ records and see if I can find her.

AngelaGrace56 · Post by **AngelaGrace56** » 23 Jul 2022, 21:29

Hi Carol

I believe his second wife was Carmela Guarino. Have just located her death record but an using my tablet so will link you to the record shortly and translate for you. It is easier to view records on my PC.

1848 Death no 103. Page 55 of 92. Died 27 Sept.

Angela

AngelaGrace56 · Post by **AngelaGrace56** » 23 Jul 2022, 22:11

Death No 103: Carmela Guarino

Registered in Grottaminarda on 27 September 1848

Carmela Guarino, wife of Domenico Migliarese, died 27 September 1848 at 6 am in the house she was living. She was 36 yo, born in Grottaminarda, a contadina, living in Strada Castello, the daughter of Michele Guarino (deceased), a falegname (carpenter), who had lived in Strada Castello, and of Maria Michela di Penta?, also deceased.

https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... 98/0AP3P7D

Angela

carolc · Post by **carolc** » 23 Jul 2022, 22:52

WOW, Angela how in the world did you find this. Thank you so much for taking the time to locate this. I can't get over how wonderful you and all these researchers are on this site. No way, I could have accomplished all of this on my own.

THANK YOU

carolc · Post by **carolc** » 23 Jul 2022, 23:04

Angela I took at look at 1846 (the yr after his first wife died) and bam! there's his marriage record to Carmela. I bet she had at least one child before she died and that could be why the 3rd marriage....too many babies to take care of!

carolc · Post by **carolc** » 23 Jul 2022, 23:27

And there it is. In March of 1847, they had a little girl, Maria Luigia Filomena, who would lose her mother in one year. So much sadness.

Can you take a look and see if there is something to note in that section after - presentato una bambina. It looks like they are saying that Carmela is his legitimate wife but is there something more I should take from this doc?

https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... 48/w1mqKRO

No. 30 on page 17

mmogno · Post by **mmogno** » 24 Jul 2022, 01:09

carolc wrote: 23 Jul 2022, 23:27 And there it is. In March of 1847, they had a little girl, Maria Luigia Filomena, who would lose her mother in one year. So much sadness.

Can you take a look and see if there is something to note in that section after - presentato una bambina. It looks like they are saying that Carmela is his legitimate wife, 32 yo.

https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... 48/w1mqKRO

No. 30 on page 17

AngelaGrace56 · Post by **AngelaGrace56** » 24 Jul 2022, 02:13

mmogno wrote: 24 Jul 2022, 01:09
carolc wrote: 23 Jul 2022, 23:27 And there it is. In March of 1847, they had a little girl, Maria Luigia Filomena, who would lose her mother in one year. So much sadness.

Can you take a look and see if there is something to note in that section after - presentato una bambina. It looks like they are saying that Carmela is his legitimate wife, 32 yo.

https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... 48/w1mqKRO

No. 30 on page 17

Then after the age of 32 which mmogno has noted, in case you were wondering Carol, it just says "living with him, and (born) from him, the declarant, age as above (i.e. 36), profession as above (i.e. salasiatore? Salt Maker?), living as above (i.e. Strada Regia?, Grottaminarda.)

Also, just confirming for you the following:

The baby girl was born on 21 March 1847, at 6 pm in the house in which her parents lived, was presened to the official given the name Maria Luigia Filomena. Date of Registration was the same day in Grottaminarda.

BTW: Nice find Carol

Angela

carolc · Post by **carolc** » 24 Jul 2022, 13:37

Thank you both.

Angela, it's salassatore..blood letter. Remember you helped me with the translation for his father, also a bloodletter AND barber. Guess the two go hand in hand.

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