Occupation help please - zimarre di panni?

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Occupation help please - zimarre di panni?

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Hello! Can someone please help me understand the occupation of Francesco Angelosanto? I think it is zimarre di panni, but I could be transcribing incorrectly.

I've attached an extract of the image below. Please let me know if I should provide the entire image. As background, the image is from the 1754 Catasto Onciario for Sant'Elia Fiumerapido. Francesco Angelosanto is the head of household (with his father listed as Giuseppe and grandfather listed as Giovanbattista? This is my first time seeing a father and grandfather listed).

I searched for zimarre and found it described as a long, shabby, overcoat...but I did not find a corresponding occupation.

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"zimatore di panni" also called, depending on the dialect, "cimatore" or "accimatore".
They "cleaned" woolen choths, cutting what was in eccess (i guess they made them smoother)
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http://www.cassino2000.com/cdsc/studi/a ... 12p07.html
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PippoM wrote: 17 Oct 2022, 12:20 "zimatore di panni" also called, depending on the dialect, "cimatore" or "accimatore".
They "cleaned" woolen choths, cutting what was in eccess (i guess they made them smoother)
Also see here:

http://www.cassino2000.com/cdsc/studi/a ... 12p07.html
Thank you! I overlooked reference to zimatore in the Studi Cassinati article. This is very helpful and I appreciate your assistance!
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The "zimarra" was it was a large, long and wide surcoat, often richly embroidered, of Spanish origin; later (18th century), dressing gown for men. the tissue was the "cloth", ie wool that was felted through the fulling process. . Felting made it more compact and warm more.

So... seem to me that he was "sarto zimarre di panni"
that is, he was a tailor and sewed exclusively cloth men's dressing gowns
But I must also say that by zimarra we also mean the cassock of the priests. Now the word zimarra is no longer used, but we used until 1970s, abt, to indicate the cassock of the priests.

Just a my suggestion.
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suanj wrote: 18 Oct 2022, 17:48 The "zimarra" was it was a large, long and wide surcoat, often richly embroidered, of Spanish origin; later (18th century), dressing gown for men. the tissue was the "cloth", ie wool that was felted through the fulling process. . Felting made it more compact and warm more.

So... seem to me that he was "sarto zimarre di panni"
that is, he was a tailor and sewed exclusively cloth men's dressing gowns
But I must also say that by zimarra we also mean the cassock of the priests. Now the word zimarra is no longer used, but we used until 1970s, abt, to indicate the cassock of the priests.

Just a my suggestion.
Regards,
suanj

Thank you for this insight! I really appreciate your response and time.
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