Help with name change after coming to the US

[deigo1]

I've ran into a bit of wall in trying to track down information on my relative Carolina Vecco who was born in Giaveno (Torino),in 1901 and came to Illinois in 1907 per the information on her husbands naturalization papers. In a prior post Biff had helped me find the logs of Giaveno on family search, but unfortunately 1901 wasn't online. I reached out to the commune with what I thought was solid info, and after months they came back in the past few days with the name not found. It had not occurred to me that this might not be her birth name, as I had struggled to find her or her brother John's immigration documents through Ellis... he was born in Dec. 1902 in Giaveno.

As we know it, her father was Constantino Vecco born 1868 from Giaveno, but again nothing in the Ellis logs I could find with that name. I narrowed down a search in the window of people coming to the US from 1903 to 1907 to IL and found the name Politico Vecco Garda who was coming to Westville, IL. This town is not too far from where Carolina would end up getting married in 1924.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 3AJFP9-JZJ

I had emailed the cemetery where the family is all buried, and they replied with a screen shot of information they had on Constantino. It listed his birth as Aug 13th, 1868 born in Giaveno and a middle name of Apolito. They listed him as Mrs. which is in error.

Curious if Apolito could be his first name I looked in the 1868 birth records for the commune, I didn't find that name, but I did find Politico Vecco Garda.

I can't make out all of this to really translate, but I believe I'm seeing he was born in August of 1868, which would align.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=971625

I then found this hint on Ancestry from a SSN

Name: Constantino Apolito Vecco
Birth Date: 13 Aug 1868
Birth Place: Salvagio, Italy
Claim Date: 14 Nov 1941
SSN: 326166180
Notes: 29 Jul 1977: Name listed as CONSTANTINO APOLITO VECCO

I think perhaps Salvigo... is Selvaggio a hamlet inside Giaveno.

Could this be the same person, basically shortening his last name to Vecco upon entry to the US and going by a different first name? Apolito equal a misspelling of Politico?

Thanks,
D.

[Tessa78]

The surname Vecco Garda ( double surname) exists in Giaveno.

The birth act you posted is for Politico Vecco Garda born 13 August 1868 in Giaveno, in the house of his parents in Borgata Selvaggio. Father is Celestino [son of Alessio] and mother is Marianna Bergeretto, his wife.

I would say it is the same person.

Edit to add:
Here is publication of intended marriage of Politico Vecco Garda and Maddalena Giacone in Giaveno in 1900.
#21 in parte II

The bride is born and residing in Coazze, so marriage --and perhaps the birth of Carolina-- would be there.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=971625

T.

[Tessa78]

And here is the marriage (#32) in Coazze of Politico Vecco Garda and Maddalena Giacone, on 23 December 1900.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=970236

T.

[deigo1]

Incredible thank you so much Tessa!!

So Maddalena aligns to what I think is her coming over with the kids below in 1907 which matches the info from Carolina's husbands naturalization. The part that is confusing is I wonder if the sex of the child is correct perhaps flip flopped. As it appers what've I now found is John appears to be Celestino based on the naturalization paperwork. So is Carolina .....Lorenza?
The other part is her maiden name on something I've found was Jaconi, so again someone not knowing how to spell it likely.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 3AJX21-M2X

[Tessa78]

Can you post the naturalization?

It could be the names are switched, but perhaps it is the ages.
However, first born son named Celestino fits.

See if you can match up naturalization notations that appear next to each child's name.

Jaconi would be the phonetic spelling of Giacone.

T.

[deigo1]

Carolina's Husband Naturalization (has details about her):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1989159

John (Celestino): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 3AXKP7-36X

For John what I'm seeing is his naturalization number on the top of his card 11-325423 matches the number written by his name after the column of married or single on the ellis island log. The 11-17-41 after that probably aligns to his petition and him finishing it in 1943. The card also indicates a name change.

Carolina: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... A7VH5-1Q3Z

I'm assuming this aligns to Lorenza, because the date after her certification number on the ellis log is 8/27/37 with her getting citizenship in 1938 by the card above. Unfortunately her certification number isn't listed on the top of her card like her brothers.

I also added a similar record death record for Maddalena (Marian), she had many different spellings that I've found from Marianna, Mary Ann, Marian etc. I haven't been able to find census details from 1910 and 20 so wonder if its just an odd spelling that is not picking up in the searches. By 1930 Carolina is married and shows under her husband on that census.

Thank you as always!
D.

[Tessa78]

Happy to help

You found some good verifications!

You might want to write to the town again and inquire of the birth acts for Lorenza Vecco Garda and Celestino Vecco Garda.
Provide parents names when you do.


T.

[deigo1]

Thanks T. I sent the note off to Giaveno now we wait

Last night I was able to find the 1901 and 1902 births for Coazze, and the children were not listed there. Side note the records for these communes are a bit jumbled / out of order.

I was able to locate Maddelena's birth record in 1875 vs the 1877 noted from the cemetery file...
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=970236

Just to make sure her birth was indeed Feb 17th?

Also her parents I was reading Luigi Giacone and Carola(?) Giacone?

Thanks!
D.

[Tessa78]

Hope you hear positive news from Giaveno.

Yes, I had also checked Coazze for the births with no luck.
Like you, I found Maddalena's birth act, and wondered if her daughter took a version of her grandmother's given name when they settled in USA.

Birth of Maddalena was 17 February as you say. In the house in Via Giaconia(sp) #11. Father- Luigi, and mother Carola Giacone.

T.