Question about new rules re: jure sanguinis

[phil100a]

Disappointed in the new ruling re: jure sanguinis citizenship; appears to be misguided - coming at a strange time when Italy is experiencing a serious negative birthrate.

My questions:

1) I achieved jure sanguinis citizenship 14 years ago (via my grandfather) and at the same time my daughter applied and also achieved citizenship. I recently renewed my passport and have voted (from the US) in Italian elections. My daughter has not yet renewed her passport. Will she be still be able to renew her passport?

2) My daughter recently decided to apply for her small children; we had begun that process. What does this ruling mean for her children? Since I am the grandfather of my daughter's (small, minor) children, would they qualify? Or, even though the new ruling says the application requires nothing further back than "grandfather" (I am their grandfather) does the new default go all the way back to my grandfather (which would be their great-grandfather), thus disqualifying them? Last, If my grandchildren still qualify, what new (if any) requirements would be required of them (again, they ares still small children)?

3) Do these changes mean that my jure sangunis citizenship is in danger?

Wishing well to all who have begun this process and hope for the new rules to be reversed. We are proud of our Italian heritage and want to make it official.

[PippoM]

If you and your daughter achieved your citizenship, you won't be deprived of it. It is what in Italy is called a "diritto acquisito".

[phil100a]

Thanks Pippo. My other question was about my grandchildren. Does this mean that they will not be able to apply? Again, I got in because of my grandfather (my daughter's great-grandfather), so even though we are officially 'in", my grandchildren are forbidden, correct?

[PippoM]

In my opinion, they are not, as they are minor children of an Italian citizen.

[spiritualidle]

It’s heartbreaking to see these changes, especially for families like yours that have already gone through so much to honor their heritage. From how the rules are written now, yes, it seems that if the citizenship line stops at great-grandparent and your daughter didn't claim before her children were born, your grandchildren could be ineligible. It feels so counterintuitive given Italy’s demographic situation. Hoping the government reconsiders this—it affects so many proud Italian families.

[icehockeyritzy]

It's truly painful to witness these changes, especially for families like yours who have already made great efforts to preserve their heritage. Based on the current wording of the rules, it does appear that if citizenship only extends as far back as a great-grandparent and your daughter didn’t secure citizenship before her children were born, then your grandchildren may no longer qualify.

[CaputoBruno]

Disappointed in the new ruling re: jure sanguinis citizenship; appears to be misguided - coming at a strange time when Italy is experiencing a serious negative birthrate.

My questions:

1) I achieved jure sanguinis citizenship 14 years ago (via my grandfather) and at the same time my daughter applied and also achieved citizenship. I recently renewed my passport and have voted (from the US) in Italian elections. My daughter has not yet renewed her passport. Will she be still be able to renew her passport?

2) My daughter recently decided to apply for her small children; we had begun that process. What does this ruling mean for her children? Since I am the grandfather of my daughter's (small, minor) children, would they qualify? Or, even though the new ruling says the application requires nothing further back than "grandfather" (I am their grandfather) does the new default go all the way back to my grandfather (which would be their great-grandfather), thus disqualifying them? Last, If my grandchildren still qualify, what new (if any) requirements would be required of them (again, they ares still small children)?

3) Do these changes mean that my jure sangunis citizenship is in danger?

Wishing well to all who have begun this process and hope for the new rules to be reversed. We are proud of our Italian heritage and want to make it official.

Since both you (the parent) and your daughter were already recognized as Italian citizens well before March 27, 2025, your citizenship is safe and unaffected. Your daughter can renew her Italian passport normally, even if it's expired. That does not affect her citizenship, only her ability to travel.

If her AIRE registration is out of date, she should update it at her consulate to avoid processing delays.

Regarding your grandchildren, The new rule applies only to applications filed after March 27, 2025, and only affects people trying to claim citizenship based on an Italian-born parent or grandparent.

But in this case, the child’s mother (your daughter) is already an Italian citizen (recognized before the cutoff). The grandchildren are simply inheriting citizenship from their Italian parent, not applying based on a distant ancestor. If the children are minors, their mother (as an Italian citizen) should register their births via the consulate and in the AIRE system. Once recorded in Italy, they are considered citizens.

No special bond, language, or residency requirement is needed for minor children of already-recognized Italian citizens! Remember - The new law does not revoke or challenge existing citizenships! Bottom line, You, your daughter, and her children are not affected by the March 28 changes!

That means the new "born in Italy" restriction does NOT apply.

[CaputoBruno]

Sorry I just re-read this and I left out one detail. Your daughter was born abroad, so in that case there is a two year requirement. IF your daughter lived in italy 2 years before the birth of the child you can register right away. IF she has never resided in italy, your grandchildren can live in italy with you or with the parents for 2 years and register before their 18th birthday, meeting the requirement. Hopefully that will be addressed by the constitutional court though in the coming months. Not sure why this administration is targeting Italians abroad. If the issue is stopping the mass flow, just apply it to peple trying to aquire citizenship. That said, once you have citizenship, I dont understand the limitations being set. This will affect everyone, including Italian citizens in a negative way!

[mler]

Sorry I just re-read this and I left out one detail. Your daughter was born abroad, so in that case there is a two year requirement. IF your daughter lived in italy 2 years before the birth of the child you can register right away. IF she has never resided in italy, your grandchildren can live in italy with you or with the parents for 2 years and register before their 18th birthday, meeting the requirement. Hopefully that will be addressed by the constitutional court though in the coming months. Not sure why this administration is targeting Italians abroad. If the issue is stopping the mass flow, just apply it to peple trying to aquire citizenship. That said, once you have citizenship, I dont understand the limitations being set. This will affect everyone, including Italian citizens in a negative way!

Actually, I think you were right the first time. Since the daughter is ALREADY an Italian citizen, she is considered a “citizen from birth” and has one year to register her minor children. Her minor children, however, would be classified as having received “acquired citizenship” and would be subject to the rules you describe when passing citizenship to their children.

[CaputoBruno]

ok that is good to know. I thought because the parent (even if an italian citizen) having dual citizenshp would have the residency requirement to pass on the citizenship to the child.