Trying to obtain copy documents via "Italia, Brindisi, Stato Civile (Archivio di Stato), 1809-1955", FamilySearch

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Hi I am hoping someone can help me - I am trying to find any documents on my paternal grandparents - his name was Ferruccio Gimelli and hers Isabella Salsedo - I have found some records that show his surname as Gemelli.

I managed to get to this link https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... KS?lang=en

"Italia, Brindisi, Stato Civile (Archivio di Stato), 1809-1955", FamilySearch

which then tells me there is a record of a marriage, the certificate number being 9 but I can't seem to get past that.

It shows the marriage year as 1931 (but I believe marriage date was prior to 1930 or prior as that was my father's date of birth), but then again we never know....

Can someone help me to try and locate this marriage certificate

[Tessa78]

Here is the document referenced in your link.
It is in Part II, Series C of the marriage book of Brindisi for 1931.

It is a transcription of their marriage in Alessandria , Egypt on 29 November 1929.
Ferruccio Gemelli was the son of Vitaliano [Gemelli] and Rosina Donato
Isabella Salsedo was the daughter of Giacinto [Salsedo] and Addolorata Picci

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 93/5BQa1y9

T.

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Thank you so much for your help. It is greatly appreciated. Ferruccio Gimelli (i think they transcribed his surname incorrectly as we were told it was always GIMELLI not GEMELLI) . My father (Ferruccio & Isabella's son) was Vitaliano - I am going to have to get someone to translate that document.

Your help is greatly appreciated.

[Tessa78]

I believe the surname is spelled with 2 E's (Gemelli)

Here is the translation of the handwritten record posted above...

Year 1931 day 1 of December at 4 PM at the town hall [Brindisi]. The Brindisi official, Serafino Podesta, received from the Tribunal Attorney a letter dated 7 November of the current year, that requested he transcribe exactly and entirely a copy of the act of marriage of Ferruccio Gemelli and Isabella Salsedo which was released from the Parish of Alessandria, Egypt, 6 October 1930, and that he translate from Latin to Italian for the transcription and it follows:
Translation of Latin into Italian for the marriage of Ferruccio Gemelli and Isabella Salsedo—
In the name of God. Amen. – To all and everyone who is interested, I signed from the Church of Santa Caterina V & M of Alessandria, Egypt, … marriage found on page 337 - signed by priest.

“In the year of our Lord 1929, day 9 of month November, Ferruccio Gemelli, son of Vitaliano and of Rosina Donato, of Italian nationality, born in Alessandria, Egypt on 16 December 1906, legitimately contracted marriage in this Parish of Santa Caterina, with Isabella Salsedo, daughter of Giacinto and of Addolorata Picci, of Italian nationality, born in Alessandria, Egypt on 30 June 1899, Witnessed by Teodoro Salsedo, Alfonzo Veste, Giovanni Veste. In good faith."
Released from the Parish of Santa Caterina V&M, on 6 October 1930.
The rest is affirmation that the transcription conformed to requirements, etc.

EDIT TO ADD:
Here is the transcription into the Brindisi births in 1900 of Isabella Cristina Salsedo's birth in Alessandria, Egypt in 1899.
#24 (Parte II)
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 62/0AjRgJ3

T.

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Wow..... Thank you so much for the translation and the birth extract of Isabella Cristina Salsedo.

I do believe the correct spelling of Gimelli is with an I rather than E. The handwritten document itself could be read as either an E or an I. I have managed to find an original birth certificate (extract) issued in 1958 by Italian Consulate General, Alexandria Egypt which shows the surname spelt with an "I", and dad's discharge of army records again with an "I". My father was not illiterate so I do believe if it was an error he would have picked it up.

I do believe a number of documents may have been misspelt along the way and during translation. I have the original extract of birth and baptism certificate issued in 1962 by St. Catherine's Parish, Alexandria Egypt which spells my grandmother's second name as Christina, which is a surprise, because I believe Italian's do not use the "h" when spelling the name, but rather spell the name Cristina, as per the link to the transcription you provided. And just to add, I remember my grandmother speaking of her brother Teodoro, who was mentioned as a witness on her marriage certificate. Now to find out the names of the other 20 siblings of my grandmother.

Again, I cannot thank you enough for your help and assistance.

[Tessa78]

Happy to help!

Question: Do you know were Ferruccio's family was from? I was not able to find a transcribed birth act for him in Brindisi. Likewise, I was not able to find any records for Vitaliano in Brindisi.

T.

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I not sure if my last reply was posted or not so I will try again.

Nonno Ferruccio Gimelli was born in 1906 in Egypt Alexandria. His parents were Vitaliano Gimelli and Rosa Donato. Unfortunately my grandparents separated/divorced when my father was a teenager and not much was spoken of my grandfather. All we know is that he had a sister. I have managed to locate a certificate (via my heritage) for Laura Gimelli Vanefra, "Obito No: 63.054 issued by Republica Federativa Di Brasil, whose parents were Vitaliano Gimelli and Rosa Donato, so I can only she was Nonno Ferruccio's sister.

I remember my father having a relative or friend with the surname Vanefra, but I never knew the connection. Dad also was communicating with a cousin in Brazil, so I will need to look into that further. I think his name was Genaro.

Dad was born in Egypt in 1930. We have an original "Certificato di Nascita" issued by the "Consolato General D'Italia - record which shows "domcilato in Italia a Catanzaro. Registration number CIR 201. His "Dichiarazione di ammissione a dispensa dal presentarsi alle armi in tempo di pace" also shows "inscritto sulle liste di leva del comune di Catanzaro. So would this mean that Vitaliano Gimelli and Ferruccio Gimelli were registered in Catanzaro? If so, how would I find any records or information on Ferruccio Gimelli.

Thank you so much for your time and effort in providing all this wonderful information.

[Tessa78]

Here is the transcribed act of birth for Ferruccio Gimelli, in 1907 book of births (Parte II) in Catanzaro, showing his birth in Alessandria, Egypt, in December 1906.
His father is Vitaliano Gimelli, age 35, shoemaker, born in Catanzaro.
Child was given the name Ferruccio Umberto.
One of the witnesses to the recording of birth (in Egypt) was Gennaro Venafra.
#15
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043789

T.

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Tessa78 - you are amazing. Thank you so much for providing all this valuable information. I truly can't thank you enough - things are starting to piece together for us in regards to Nonno's family. I had no idea of his father's occupation, nor place of birth.

I have so much more questions I would love answered - but would like to ask you to please help me with one more and I promise I won't bother you for more information. It always saddened me to think that my Nonno passed away in Egypt and I think maybe he passed away on his own, with no family, but I don't know this for sure though. I don't know his exact date of death, place or how he died - I believe it may have been between 1970 and 1972. Could I please bother you to help me locate his death certificate. I totally understand if you can't help me with this question, but would honestly like to thank you so so much for all the information you have provided to date. How do you do it????

[Tessa78]

The years 1970 to 1972 are too recent to be available online due to privacy laws.
You can try writing to the comune.

T.

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Tessa78 Thank you so much for your help......