Help finding area for surnames Cassell // Edmundi

[Cassell]

Hello,
Could any one please help me find location of Italy where 2 of my ancestors came from? There names are Paschale or Pasquale Cassell and Maria Edmundi. They had a son Dominico Francesco Cassell that immergrated to the United States. I am also aware they had 2 daughters but they never came to America.

Any help will be greatly appreachated
Carol

[mfjp]

you should check out http://ellisisland.org/ for further info.
1. Dominick Casselle  1918  38  (a baker)
2. Joseph Casselle  1918  25   
3. P. Casselle    1922  36   
4. Pasquale Casselle  from Baia Eatena    1898  33   (was also in N.Y 1890 and 1892)
 
hope this helps, mfjp

[suanj]

Baia Eatena = Baia Latina
suanj

[Cassell]

Thank you mfjp and suanj,
It seems my Dominick came over to New England in mid to 1800 (1850 - 1880) on different census he states different dates
Do u have more info on Pasquale Casselle from Baia Eatena 1898 33 (was also in N.Y 1890 and 1892) Tho i am not sure that anyone from Dominick's family came to america but him.
Thank you so much
Carol

[mfjp]

Hi Carol, here is the link to Pasquale's manifest.

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 2659090063&

If you need any help with the manifest, please let me know. Here's a site that also has great info about manifest markings.
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/Manifests/

mfjp

[Essgee]

Almost all Italian immigrants prior to 1880 came from Northern Italy.

You refer to a census listing...what year and what state? Sometimes, we can back it to arrival information.... If he came prior to 1892, he would not have come through Ellis Island...it wasn't open. But he could have come through Castle Garden and NYCity. Yet, he could have come directly into the port of Boston.

The Boston NARA in Waltham is a very good place to get info. You can e-mail them directly and often they can find the passenger manifest for you. Let me know he census info and maybe we can narrow down the info. Then you can contact the NARA and see if there are any clues to the point of origin.

Let us know.

[mfjp]

essgee is right about Castle Garden... in this case... Cassell Gardens ... I was looking for info last night and there were lots of hits for Domenic...

(why did the Italian immigrants prior to 1880 came from Northern Italy....) maybe you can answer this in a different post... will need this info for my North Italian research in the future...

Homework....!!! (pruning??)

Choose 2 or 3 of paesanos (for now...) and will look into a the manifests..mfjp

Domenico Casale O: Naples,ITA
O: 09 Apr 1890 Apr 1890 - New York
O: Naples, Italy and Palermo, Italy
O: United States of America Immigration
New York Passenger L...
Domenico Casale O: Italy
O: 29 Apr 1891 Apr 1891 - New York
O: Naples, Italy
O: New York Immigration
New York Passenger L...
Domonic Casale O: Italy
O: 09 Apr 1891 Apr 1891 - New York
O: Naples
O: New York Immigration
New York Passenger L...
Domenic Castle B: abt 1903 - Ohio
B: abt 1903 - Niles
O: 06 Sep 1926 Sep 1926 - San Francisco
O: Honolulu, Hawaii Immigration
San Francisco Passen...
D. Castle O: 1852 - San Francisco Immigration
Passenger and Immigr...
D Cassell O: United States of America
O: 28 Sep 1868 Sep 1868 - New York
O: Aspinwall, Panama
O: United States of America Immigration
New York Passenger L...
D Castle O: United States of America
O: 24 Aug 1860 Aug 1860 - New York
O: Aspinwall, Panama
O: United States of America Immigration
New York Passenger L...

Domenico Casella O: 05 May 1890 - New York
O: Italy
O: 24 Nov 1905 1905 Immigration
New York Petitions f...

Domenico Casello O: Italy
O: 07 Aug 1889 1889 Immigration
New York Petitions f...
Domenico Cassello O: Italy
O: 26 Oct 1888 1888 Immigration
New York Petitions f...
Domenico Casella O: Italy
O: 09 Jan 1879 Jan 1879 - New York
O: Antwerp, Belgium
O: New York;United States of America Immigration
New York Passenger L...
Domenico Casilli B: Italy
O: Italy
O: 09 Oct 1891 Oct 1891 - New York
See all events... Immigration
New York Passenger L...
Domenico Casillo B: Italy
O: 21 Nov 1890 Nov 1890 - New York
O: Gibraltar and Naples, Italy
O: New York Immigration
New York Passenger L...
Domenico Cassella O: Italy
O: 08 Apr 1878 Apr 1878 - New York
O: Mediteranean Ports
O: United States of America Immigration
New York Passenger L...
Domenico Cazzell B: Traco
O: Italy
O: 18 Mar 1891 Mar 1891 - New York
See all events... Immigration
New York Passenger L...

[Cassell]

hiya all
The dates of arrival listed on the 3 census I found him in are ..
1900 claimed he arrived 1874
1910 claimed he arrived 1870
and 1920 claimed he arrived 1886

in the 1900 and 1910 he was married to another woman all kids listed was born in Rhode Island. 1900 said he was born 1857 and he says he was 42 and married for 23 years. (makes me wonder if he came in a Rhode Island Port?.) But from all dates he gives for immergration that are before Ells Island God forbid he made this search simple... LOL
in 1910 he said he was 60, married 31 years.
Then in 1912 He had first son with my gr8 grandmother in same town he was living in, in 1900 and 1910 I am pretty certain that this Dominick Cassell in 1900 and 1910 is mine. My guess he lied about age cuz my gr8 grandmother was much younger than he. He and my gr8 grandmother had 11 kids and later married after last was born in 1929 married in a Catholic church (hmmm lol). On that marriage intent he claims this to have been first marriage. and that he was 66 then.

ages he claimed for birth on all records are...
1857 in 1900 census in Berwick, Maine
1863 on marriage license (writing in a different laungage)
1872 on death report
1843 is date on his grave stone

I would love nothing more but to find records on him and his family from area they came from and I cant thank you all enough for your time in helping me out

Carol

essgee is right about Castle Garden... in this case... Cassell Gardens (cute joke mfjp thanks for the laugh LOL)

[mfjp]

hold it right there.....

you mentioned the marriage license! 1865... writing in a different language... what language????

Do you have any idea what is on this marriage license? mfjp

[Cassell]

if u would like to read it mfjp pls e-mail me @ thecassells@ttlc.net and i will attach it to u Its in French i think

[mfjp]

ok! just sent you an email. mfjp

[Essgee]

Well....

The first wife appears to be French Canadian...the son Frank, born in 1892 is said to be born in Canada....

He could have come in from Canada....a lot of Italians went there before entering the US. However, in the 1900 census, she appears to enter the US before he came...yet, you know the dates of arrival on the next census changed. I looked for him in 1880...no luck so far......

Found him in 1910....
Where was he specifically in 1920...I cannot find him. What city, state? How is his name listed?

If his father is named Pasquale, is there a son named Pasquale as well.. According to the 1900 census, the first son is John and this is unusual. In the second famly, is anyone named Pasquale...Patrick, Patsy, etc?

[mfjp]

The french document... do you have more??

Oct. 10. 1929, after having obtained the exemption of three banks of
Marriage (Marriage Banns) between Dominico Francisco Cassell son of legal age, of 1863 - Paschale Cassell and Maria Edmundi on the one hand and Anna Robidoux spinster of legal age bapt. 9 seven 1887 - of Antoine Robidoux and Zoe Mathieu on the other hand. We Priest - undersigned received mutual concent in the presence of Joseph Bourassa and of Beatrice Desmorais.
O.N. Desmarais ptre (priest)

helpful info below came from a web site.... mfjp

Records of Marriage
Any step in this marriage process may reveal the locality of immigrant origin, although the marriage process varied in detail from country to country and from one time period to another. Potentially, three different records could be created:

1. Pre-marriage investigation

2. Parish marriage register entry

3. Marriage dispensation


The first two of these relate to the marriage performed by the parish priest. The third refers to the application and subsequent investigation of a future bride and groom by the bishop to waive an impediment to the proposed marriage. Any of these records may and often do reveal the locality of immigrant origin.

[Cassell]

to Essgee,
Thank you again for you reply, giving that kids was born Rhode Island I believe he was there prior to moving to Berwick, Maine. But i cant seem to find him there in 1880 giving 1890 was not listed for many areas in US.
In 1920 he was in Dover, NH....... giving his first child w/ Anna was born 1912 in Berwick, Maine I am more than certain this is same Dominck, what is odd is I cant locate Mary (first wife) or kids anywhere after 1910. I am assumed she died, but Berwick library had no record she did. I am wondering if maybe she went back home to Canada. If u would like to also see this marriage paper from the Church they ( Dominick and Anna) married in, pls e-mail me too I will be glad to send u a copy
Again thank you so much
Carol


1920 United States Federal Census
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Cassell, Dominick View Image Online
Age: 52 Year: 1920
Birthplace: Italy Roll: T625_1008
Race: White Page: 12B

State: New Hampshire ED: 161

County: Strafford Image: 0969

Township: Dover
It gets much stranger lol. W/ Anna (Wife2. but he claims as first and only hmmm ) He too had a son Named John, and Peter, his 5th son he named Pasquale.

[Cassell]

to mfjp,
I have 3 records for their marriage and none say area he was from not even his obit they all only Say Italy. They records I hold are marrige page from church, Marriage Intention, and Marriage license, death record, and obit.
Death report states both his parents was born Italy too and his father was a farmer. Obit says he was survived by his wife, 5 sons and 3 daughters all of this city, and two sisters in Italy.
Again thank you so much
Carol