DiBernardo Family from Saratoga, NY

[tonij16102]

Can someone help me with this? I don't have a subscription to Ancestry. I am looking for information on John DiBernardo but it was changed to Bernard. His father's name was either Francesco or Vincenzo DiBernardo and his mothers name was Carmela Cappibianco. I have been trying to piece this puzzle together for yrs. Carmela passed away in the 80's at over a 100 yrs old in Saratoga Springs, NY. Cld someone find them on the censuses for me plz and ty. It wld be greatly appreciated

Toni

[Tessa78]

Hello Toni

We'd be happy to help...

Did they always living in Saratoga Springs? Were they born in USA, or another country? If another country, when approximately, did they immigrate to USA? Besides Carmela's estimated birth date being about 1880 - 1890, do you have a date for John?

Anything you can provide as further detail would greatly help.

T.

[Tessa78]

edit; incorrect census

T.

[tonij16102]

Hello Toni

We'd be happy to help...

Did they always living in Saratoga Springs? Were they born in USA, or another country? If another country, when approximately, did they immigrate to USA? Besides Carmela's estimated birth date being about 1880 - 1890, do you have a date for John?

Anything you can provide as further detail would greatly help.

T.

They immigrated to the US from Italy but not sure when. I have little information on this family. I talked with some members that were adopted by John and his wife but they really knew nothing. Other than this I know nothing sadly

[tonij16102]

Hello Toni

We'd be happy to help...

Did they always living in Saratoga Springs? Were they born in USA, or another country? If another country, when approximately, did they immigrate to USA? Besides Carmela's estimated birth date being about 1880 - 1890, do you have a date for John?

Anything you can provide as further detail would greatly help.

T.

They from Camigliano, Caserta, Italy.

[vj]

Toni and T
Here's a start
possible 1912 manifest
Valarie

Carmela and two children
page 1
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0027
page 2
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0027

21 Nov 1912, SS Prinzess Irene, Naples to NY
lines 27-29
M Carmina Cappabianco 35 (abt 1877)
- last residence Camigliano Caserta
- leaving father-in-law Raffaele Di Bernardo in Camigliano
- destination Gran Ville NY (Granville, Washington County, NY)
- joining husband Vincenzo Di Bernardo
- born in Camigliano

child Maria Di Bernardo 4 (abt 1908)
- possble naturalization notation

child Raffaele Di Bernardo 6 (abt 1906)
- possble naturalization notation

[Tessa78]

Hi Valarie!

Way to get us going!!! Looks like a winner!
Thanks...

T.

[vj]

Thanks T !
Here's another
across the border from Granville, Washington, NY
Valarie

possible 1920 census in Vermont
Vincenzo may be 'James', Carmina may be 'Minnie'

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/6199/1920ov.jpg
Home in 1920:

Pawlet Twp, Rutland, Vermont

James Bernard 32, abt 1888 IT
- immig 1910
Minnie Bernard 40, abt 1880 IT
- immig 1910
Ralph Bernard 13, abt 1907 IT
- immig 1910
Mary Bernard 11, abt 1909 IT
- immig 1910
Bessie Bernard 6, abt 1914 NY
John Bernard 3 4/12, abt 1916 NY
Charles Bernard 4/12, abt 1919 NY

[tonij16102]

Toni and T
Here's a start
possible 1912 manifest
Valarie

Carmela and two children
page 1
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0027
page 2
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0027

21 Nov 1912, SS Prinzess Irene, Naples to NY
lines 27-29
M Carmina Cappabianco 35 (abt 1877)
- last residence Camigliano Caserta
- leaving father-in-law Raffaele Di Bernardo in Camigliano
- destination Gran Ville NY (Granville, Washington County, NY)
- joining husband Vincenzo Di Bernardo
- born in Camigliano

child Maria Di Bernardo 4 (abt 1908)
- possble naturalization notation

child Raffaele Di Bernardo 6 (abt 1906)
- possble naturalization notation

Yes this is the right family. Two sister's married two DiBernardo's. Carmela's sister Maria Rosa Cappibianca was married to my great-grandfather's brother Francesco. So I have been trying to make the connection between this family. I was told John's father died in the 40's. So where do I go from here? I have tried to figure this all out. I just hit dead ends. Thank-you for all of the help greatly appreciated

[vj]

...So I have been trying to make the connection between this family...

Luckily they may both be on the same census
Best proof would be birth records from Camigliano
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possible 1930 census
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/45/1930s.jpg

Home in 1930:
West Pawlet, Rutland, Vermont

James Bernard 50, abt 1880 IT
Minnie Bernard 52, abt 1878 IT
John Bernard 14
Charlie Bernard 11
Catherine Bernard 10

brother Frank Bernard 58, abt 1872 IT
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writing to Camigliano:

Address:

Comune di Camigliano
Ufficio di Stato Civile
Piazza Principe di Piemonte
81050 Camigliano CE
ITALY

http://www.tuttitalia.it/campania/84-camigliano/
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Website for finding comune addresses:
http://www.nonsolocap.it/

Italian form letter generator with instructions:
http://www.circolocalabrese.org/resourc ... civile.asp

Or other helpful form letters:
http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/pearlsofwi ... tters.html

[tonij16102]

Luckily they may both be on the same census
Best proof would be birth records from Camigliano
---

possible 1930 census
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/45/1930s.jpg

Home in 1930:
West Pawlet, Rutland, Vermont

James Bernard 50, abt 1880 IT
Minnie Bernard 52, abt 1878 IT
John Bernard 14
Charlie Bernard 11
Catherine Bernard 10
This is the right family...but where exactly do I go from here? It mentions a brother Frank I am wondering if its not a brother-in-law instead of brother. Is there a way to find a death certificate on James and Frank? Just exactly what do I have to do? Francesco didn't have a brother named James but who knows maybe they used middle names instead?? There were two wives in the family in Italy the first died and the father my great-great-grandfather remarried and started a whole second family maybe cld be connected thru this side. Any ideas? TY you guys are the best

brother Frank Bernard 58, abt 1872 IT

[Tessa78]

Possible manifest for vincenzo arriving 1903, going to cousin Antonio (SP?) diBernardo in Granville, NY

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0020

T.

[vj]

For further research, another option would be to (also) order the microfilmed vital records from Camigliano
Valarie
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Your nearest Family History Center has records for Camigliano on microfilm.
The cost is about $6 mo (rent), you’ll need to go to the center to order & view them.

Topic:
Italy, Caserta, Camigliano - Civil registration

Titles:
Registri dello stato civile di Camigliano (Caserta), 1809-1929 Camigliano (Caserta).
Ufficio dello stato civile

film notes for Camigliano
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library ... +Camiglian &columns=*,0,0

Family History Library Catalog:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library ... t_fhlc.asp
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In case you aren’t familiar with the Family History Center & Italian records

FamilySearch Home Page
Includes how to find your nearest local Family History Center

A helpful essay written by Trish, one of our forum members:
Steps for Finding Microfilm at the Family History Center
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Italian Record Research from FamilySearch guides:
Italy Research Outline
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Also from FamilySearch (PDF format)
Italian Records Extraction - An Instructional Guide

[tonij16102]

Possible manifest for vincenzo arriving 1903, going to cousin Antonio (SP?) diBernardo in Granville, NY

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0020

T.

Are there any manifests that give names of parents that wld be very helpful. Is there anyway to find out abt Antonio in the censuses? Maybe if there is a name there I can maybe figure out where they fit in. Tall order I know. TYVM

[vj]

... Is there a way to find a death certificate on James and Frank? Just exactly what do I have to do? Francesco didn't have a brother named James but who knows maybe they used middle names instead?? ...

James is a common 'americanization' of Vincenzo
(one theory is it had to do with how the nickname 'Cenzo' sounded like James...)

Death records can be found in either the state (Vermont or NY) or the county where the death took place.
The information will only be as accurate as the knowledge or memory of the person giving the details (the 'informant')

Valarie