VaDeb wrote:Giovanni:
Suanj made a great find with this 1930 census. To view them in order look at the second link first (starts with Abbinanti at bottom of page)
Sam Abbinanti and wife Vita (maiden name Scafide) and their children. All relations are listed as they pertain to the head of the house (that would be Sam). Next is Nicola as father in law (to Sam) and father of Vita.
Then this census continues on the first link Suanj provided.
Mary is the mother in law of Sam and the mother of Vita.
Based on how the families are listed the next family is also living in this dwelling. Anna, listed as head and crossed out and listed as wife and followed by Tony. It would be very unusual for the woman to be listed as head of the family if her husband was alive and living in the house. So from the names Tony and Vita are probably siblings. That relationship isn't provided so being cousins is a possibility. Next they have a daughter Irene, age 17 listed.
The above conclusions are only based on reading the census and assuming no other knowledge of the family.
Census reports always have to be viewed with some suspicion. We do not know what language the census taker spoke. How well they communicated with the family member providing information. Mistakes can happen as information is recorded. If you know Tony and Anna had a son born about 1903 who died after the age of 17, I would assume there was miscommunication about this child's name and gender. If the son dosen't fit this assumption look for other explanations. Could there be another child no one remembered? Was this possibly a cousin listed as a daughter. Could it have been an orphan from the neighborhood that was "adopted" ?
Hope this helps
Giovanni, ans you say: "Also they had 2 children my Grandmother Marie (b. 1908) and my Great Aunt Lucille (b.1906) both born in the U.S. in Chicago (Oak Park)."; well Lucille born in 1910 why in 1930 census was of 20 old, also is possible that Maria already married in 1930... I hope find some record about 1920 census... regards, suanj
Dear Debbie and Suanj;
Yes I agree with you. I am most thankful to you both for all this info.
I have no doubt that this is family and that that is Anna an Antonio my Great grandparents. I did learn from my father that Anna was a tailoress. So that confirms it, and especially with Lucille and Anthony Catrone listed underneath. He (Dad) also remembers the name Sam and Santa. It would seem that this would also point in name to my Great Great Grandfather and Grandmother too (Nicola and Mary)? Or am I wrong?
As for Marie and Lucilles age, I have been unable to find either on the SSDI to see what the birthdates are. My Grandmother Marie died in 1967. Both Anna and Antonio and I were at her funeral.
Last I heard my Great Aunt Luciile (Marie's sister) was still living.
Debbie provided me with 1930 census on the Cali's and Steve and Marie Cali were already married and had my dad (b. 1927) and aunt (b. 1928 or 1929) by that time.
As for the others listed on the census, I truly believe they are related either by marriage or blood. If I can find Marie and Lucille's SSDI listing that dates can be compared, but like you both said the census taker could have made errors. As for Irene that could be a cousin or orphan or ? One thing is that the age of Antonio agrees with the SSDI record too. As Sujan said maybe the confirmation lies in the 1920 census.
I have searched under many variations of names and dates for Anna on Ellis Island Manifests and have really come up blank. (Genardo, Gennaro, Geanardo,etc.). Is Anna spelled diferently in Italian?
Any new news I get from family I will surely post as soon as I receive it. Once again thank you both so very much, I surely would not be anywhere near this far without you both.
Sincerely;
Giovanni
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