Telese, Maria Carmela

[AngelaGrace56]

In the book Our Italian Names, the author Joseph G Fucilla even notes that the surname Secatore was derived from the field of carpentry. I also found another reference for the word in "secatori di travi"-plural-those who sawed beams or girders

Erudita

Thank you for the additional information here Erudita. I've added this occupation to my list. It has been another interesting, informative exercise. (Secatore (saw) reminds me of the word secateur (clip, cut). I was wondering whether they were related. I think secateur might be a French word.)

Angela

[dmurphy1940]

[erudita74]

In the book Our Italian Names, the author Joseph G Fucilla even notes that the surname Secatore was derived from the field of carpentry. I also found another reference for the word in "secatori di travi"-plural-those who sawed beams or girders

Erudita

Thank you for the additional information here Erudita. I've added this occupation to my list. It has been another interesting, informative exercise. (Secatore (saw) reminds me of the word secateur (clip, cut). I was wondering whether they were related. I think secateur might be a French word.)

Angela

Angela
You're absolutely correct about the word secateur, with an acute accent on the first e, being a French word. Hadn't thought about it, as my French is very very rusty. It does mean clippers or pruning sheers and can be found in Eng dictionaries, but without the accent. So the one informant in the record could have been someone who did pruning, but it's hard to say since the word in the record is non-specific, and the word secatore seems to vary in meaning depending on what follows it, as I have shown in the examples I gave above.

Hi Dolores
Look what this record started! We're all getting better educated.
Erudita

[dmurphy1940]

Yes, Erudita, this is wonderful!

[AngelaGrace56]

In the book Our Italian Names, the author Joseph G Fucilla even notes that the surname Secatore was derived from the field of carpentry. I also found another reference for the word in "secatori di travi"-plural-those who sawed beams or girders

Erudita

Thank you for the additional information here Erudita. I've added this occupation to my list. It has been another interesting, informative exercise. (Secatore (saw) reminds me of the word secateur (clip, cut). I was wondering whether they were related. I think secateur might be a French word.)

Angela

Angela
You're absolutely correct about the word secateur, with an acute accent on the first e, being a French word. Hadn't thought about it, as my French is very very rusty. It does mean clippers or pruning sheers and can be found in Eng dictionaries, but without the accent. So the one informant in the record could have been someone who did pruning, but it's hard to say since the word in the record is non-specific, and the word secatore seems to vary in meaning depending on what follows it, as I have shown in the examples I gave above.

Hi Dolores
Look what this record started! We're all getting better educated.
Erudita

Awesome, thank you for following up on this Erudita and for getting back to me.

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Yes, it is recorded as No 20 Via San Giovanni so they must have changed houses.

The people presenting the information were:

Rocco Famiglietti, Aged 32, Suatore – not sure what this occupation is. Maybe my eyes are deceiving me?

And Giuseppe Famiglietti, Aged 60, Vetturale – Cabman (in those days?)
Both living in Frigento.

They must be father and son. I have added their names in case they are in your family history too.

Angela

I have found this website: http://www.roangelo.net/vocabula.html

This is how it defines “vetturale”: “one who for compensation transports things or persons with pack animals or with a 2- or 4-wheeled wagon; carter.”

So yes, a Cabman - I guess.

Just thought this might be of interest. I'd not heard the word Cabman before. I've heard of Cab-drivers (transporting people for compensation) and Carriers (transporting things for compensation) but not Cabman.

Angela

[dmurphy1940]

I will be out part of the today but I wanted to thank you both again for all of this good information. I know it will help!!

[AngelaGrace56]

I will be out part of the today but I wanted to thank you both again for all of this good information. I know it will help!!

I always appreciate the opportunity to “go lateral”. It has been educational and great to work as a team so thank you for the post.

I found this today: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vetturale

It defines vetturale as a “carrier” which I imagine is the closer translation of the type of work Giuseppe undertook but I am always open to correction. (Just speculating here but maybe Giuseppe and Rocco worked together. Maybe Rocco pruned grape vines and Giuseppe transported the produce or wine. Who knows? It would be quite interesting to observe whether their occupations listed on future records you find change/evolve. I’ve noticed some of mine have changed over the years.)

Angela

[dmurphy1940]

I'll have to keep my eyes open, Angela!

[dmurphy1940]

Again, thank you both, Angela and Erudita. This has been most interesting!