Pilatti, Lorenzo birth, record #1

[kencwalker]

I could use a little help deciphering Lorenzo's birth, especially the birth date, and any unusual remarks.

This is what I have so far:
Recorded: 14-January-1869
Father: Pilati, Giovanni Battista, age 43, contadino, living in this city
in the presence of Pedroncelli, Giuseppe, age 25, military (soldier?)
and Spelzini, Provino, age 42, town bailiff, living in this city
declared on Sunday of the past month [andanted mese]
his wife: Maddalena Curti, age 39, no job (profession), living with him
"something" about a separate house in Madesimo number 198 on the street Case dei Pilatti
Son: Lorenzo

Reference:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cat=985332

Thanks in advance,
-Ken

[kencwalker]

declared on Sunday of the past month [andanted mese]

correcting a translation error for "andante mese":
It should be "Sunday of the current month".
Still haven't determined the date. Maybe I need a 1869 calendar to figure it out.

[AngelaGrace56]

Recorded on Thursday, 14 January 1869 so born Sunday, 10 January 1869, I would suggest. At a quick glance it seems to be saying at the bottom that the father was exempted from presenting the baby after the birth. I'll let someone else catch this as I'm out the door shortly.

Angela

[mmogno]

Still haven't determined the date. Maybe I need a 1869 calendar to figure it out.

"nel giorno di Domenica dieci andante mese" --> on Sunday 10 of the current month (January)

[kencwalker]

"nel giorno di Domenica dieci andante mese" --> on Sunday 10 of the current month (January)

Thanks, of course! I totally misread dieci (thought it was di ---). After my snarky "1869 calendar" comment, a quick search revealed a handy calendar site, and I figured out 10-Jan was the Sunday before 14-Jan in 1869.

A quick glance it seems to be saying at the bottom that the father was exempted from presenting the baby after the birth. I'll let someone else catch this

Thanks Angela. I'm curious to learn if there's more to the story about not presenting bambino Lorenzo.

-Ken

[erudita74]

the presentation of the infant was dispensed with "per il tempo imperverso"= (not sure, but I think it means because of stormy weather, athough that's not the literal translation of the words).

Erudita

[kencwalker]

I likely reason and reasonable translation.
This is early January in the Italian Alps, so probably snowing like crazy.
My goat herding family spent winters down in Verceia.
-Ken

[erudita74]

Yes, I believe you are correct. The word imperverso means "raging" or "violent."

Erudita

[kencwalker]

Thanks for all the help.
I'm still trying to understand the phrase about their house in Madesimo:
"si è sgravata in Madesimo nella casa distinta"
Am I reading the handwriting correctly?
Any suggestion on the translation?
-Ken

[mmogno]

Pilatti Giovanni Battista ... ha dichiarato che ... sua moglie Maddalena Curti ... si è sgravata in Madesimo nella casa distinta col numero centonovant'otto, lungo la via denominata Case dei Pilatti, di un bambino di sesso mascolino ...

Giovanni Battista Pilatti ... stated that ... his wife Maddalena Curti ... gave birth in Madesimo, in the house marked by the number 198, along the street called Case dei Pilatti, to a male child ...

[kencwalker]

si è sgravata in Madesimo nella casa distinta col numero centonovant'otto, lungo la via denominata Case dei Pilatti, ...

gave birth in Madesimo, in the house marked by the number 198, along the street called Case dei Pilatti ...

mmogno,
Thanks I've never seen si è sgravata used before, and not on my word lists. Google Translate was stumped too. Glad I found "mmogno translate".
Not nearly as interesting as I first suspected. Thanks!
-Ken

[AngelaGrace56]

si è sgravata in Madesimo nella casa distinta col numero centonovant'otto, lungo la via denominata Case dei Pilatti, ...

gave birth in Madesimo, in the house marked by the number 198, along the street called Case dei Pilatti ...

mmogno,
Thanks I've never seen si è sgravata used before, and not on my word lists. Google Translate was stumped too. Glad I found "mmogno translate".
Not nearly as interesting as I first suspected. Thanks!
-Ken

(I agree with mmogno) and I thought that you might be interested to know that "si è sgravata" literally means "she got free of weight" .... but yes, "gave birth".

I also agree that it is great to have "mmogno translate" on board.

Angela

[kencwalker]

you might be interested to know that "si è sgravata" literally means "she got free of weight" .... but yes, "gave birth".

Everyone mother reading this tread can identify with that expression.
sgravata is a weird word...I can't think of many Italian words that begin with 3 consonants.
Thanks to all for the interesting translation help. Learn something new every day!
-Ken

[AngelaGrace56]

you might be interested to know that "si è sgravata" literally means "she got free of weight" .... but yes, "gave birth".

Everyone mother reading this tread can identify with that expression.
sgravata is a weird word...I can't think of many Italian words that begin with 3 consonants.
Thanks to all for the interesting translation help. Learn something new every day!
-Ken

It doesn't have a happy ring to it. It grates a little.

I found this thread which explains the meaning better. Others may find it interesting as well.

"Si è sgravata" is referred to the mother and means "gave birth" (from "gravida"="pregnant", with the same origin from "grave"="weight", literally "set herself free from a weight") “
http://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/l ... ta#p192562

Angela