Where to find birth records in Messina?
Where to find birth records in Messina?
Hi,
My Great Grandmother, Petrina Cicco, was born in or around Messina on 9 June 1889 to Vincent/Vincenzo Cicco and Angelena Beliano, and emigrated to New York City when she was a child. She married my Great Grandfather, Luigi Cotroneo (born 6 Oct 1886 in Campo di Calabria), in Manhattan in 1908. I was able to find a scan of Luigi's birth certificate in an online archive in Calabria, but I'm struggling to find Petrina's.
Can someone please point me to an archive(s) in Messina?
Kind regards,
Pete
My Great Grandmother, Petrina Cicco, was born in or around Messina on 9 June 1889 to Vincent/Vincenzo Cicco and Angelena Beliano, and emigrated to New York City when she was a child. She married my Great Grandfather, Luigi Cotroneo (born 6 Oct 1886 in Campo di Calabria), in Manhattan in 1908. I was able to find a scan of Luigi's birth certificate in an online archive in Calabria, but I'm struggling to find Petrina's.
Can someone please point me to an archive(s) in Messina?
Kind regards,
Pete
Re: Where to find birth records in Messina?
Welcome to IG website is this your Luigi
Name:Luigi Cotroneo
Gender:Male
Marriage Date:16 Oct 1908
Marriage Place:Manhattan, New York, USA
Spouse:Petrina Ramace
Certificate Number:19024
Can you a link to Petrina shipmanifest?
Marty
Name:Luigi Cotroneo
Gender:Male
Marriage Date:16 Oct 1908
Marriage Place:Manhattan, New York, USA
Spouse:Petrina Ramace
Certificate Number:19024
Can you a link to Petrina shipmanifest?
Marty
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Re: Where to find birth records in Messina?
Expanding on what adelfio found, here's the FamilySearch version:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24CW-3Z2
Name /Ramace
Gender Male
Name Luigi Cotronlo
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 16 Oct 1908
Event Place Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Gender Male
Age 21
Marital Status Single
Race White
Birth Year (Estimated) 1887
Birthplace Italy
Father's Name Antonio
Mother's Name Guiseppa Di Giatiano
Spouse's Name Petrina Ricco
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 19
Spouse's Marital Status Widowed
Spouse's Race White
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1889
Spouse's Birthplace Italy
Spouse's Father's Name Vincenzo
Spouse's Mother's Name Angele Belino
This begs the question as to where the "Ramace" name comes from. First husband?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24CW-3Z2
Name /Ramace
Gender Male
Name Luigi Cotronlo
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 16 Oct 1908
Event Place Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Gender Male
Age 21
Marital Status Single
Race White
Birth Year (Estimated) 1887
Birthplace Italy
Father's Name Antonio
Mother's Name Guiseppa Di Giatiano
Spouse's Name Petrina Ricco
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 19
Spouse's Marital Status Widowed
Spouse's Race White
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1889
Spouse's Birthplace Italy
Spouse's Father's Name Vincenzo
Spouse's Mother's Name Angele Belino
This begs the question as to where the "Ramace" name comes from. First husband?
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Re: Where to find birth records in Messina?
Hi, I found this record, maybe interesting:
Louis Cotroneo
United States Census, 1910
Name Louis Cotroneo
Event Type Census
Event Date 1910
Event Place Manhattan Ward 4, New York, New York, United States
Gender Male
Age 24
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race (Original) White
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1886
Birthplace Italy
Immigration Year 1904
Father's Birthplace Italy
Mother's Birthplace Italy
Sheet Letter A
Sheet Number 13
Household
Role
Gender
Age
Birthplace
Louis Cotroneo Head M 24 Italy
Petrina Cotroneo Wife F 21 Italy
Tony Riga Brother-in-law M 19 Italy
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M538-1YL
and :
Francisco Ramace
mentioned in the record of Rosa Ramace
Name Francisco Ramace
Birthplace Italy
Gender Male
Wife Pietra Enrico
Daughter Rosa Ramace
Name Rosa Ramace
Event Type Death
Event Date 28 Apr 1906
Event Place Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States
Gender Female
Age 0
Marital Status Unknown
Race White
Birth Year (Estimated) 1906
Birthplace Bklyn, N. Y.
Burial Date 29 Apr 1906
Cemetery Calvary
Father's Name Francisco Ramace
Father's Birthplace Italy
Mother's Name Pietra Enrico
Mother's Birthplace Italy
I believe that maybe Francisco Ramace was her first husband.. the her Brother Toney surname on 1910 census, it is misspelled as a well her maiden name on the Death record of her first daughter... to find the arrival of her Brother could be very helpful
suanj
Louis Cotroneo
United States Census, 1910
Name Louis Cotroneo
Event Type Census
Event Date 1910
Event Place Manhattan Ward 4, New York, New York, United States
Gender Male
Age 24
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race (Original) White
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1886
Birthplace Italy
Immigration Year 1904
Father's Birthplace Italy
Mother's Birthplace Italy
Sheet Letter A
Sheet Number 13
Household
Role
Gender
Age
Birthplace
Louis Cotroneo Head M 24 Italy
Petrina Cotroneo Wife F 21 Italy
Tony Riga Brother-in-law M 19 Italy
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M538-1YL
and :
Francisco Ramace
mentioned in the record of Rosa Ramace
Name Francisco Ramace
Birthplace Italy
Gender Male
Wife Pietra Enrico
Daughter Rosa Ramace
Name Rosa Ramace
Event Type Death
Event Date 28 Apr 1906
Event Place Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States
Gender Female
Age 0
Marital Status Unknown
Race White
Birth Year (Estimated) 1906
Birthplace Bklyn, N. Y.
Burial Date 29 Apr 1906
Cemetery Calvary
Father's Name Francisco Ramace
Father's Birthplace Italy
Mother's Name Pietra Enrico
Mother's Birthplace Italy
I believe that maybe Francisco Ramace was her first husband.. the her Brother Toney surname on 1910 census, it is misspelled as a well her maiden name on the Death record of her first daughter... to find the arrival of her Brother could be very helpful
suanj
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Re: Where to find birth records in Messina?
For competeness, here are the 1910, 1920 and 1930 censuses...
1910: lines 35-37 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1727033
1920: lines 71-76 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1488411
1930: lines 89-97 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1488411
There are several inconsistencies, but I believe this is the same family.
1910: lines 35-37 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1727033
1920: lines 71-76 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1488411
1930: lines 89-97 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1488411
There are several inconsistencies, but I believe this is the same family.
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Re: Where to find birth records in Messina?
I found this record abt Francesco Romaci marriage:
Romaci Francesco Oct 16 1904 20550 (1904) Manhattan 1556932 [Oct 15 1904 ( reg. 1904)] Errigo, Pietra
suanj
Romaci Francesco Oct 16 1904 20550 (1904) Manhattan 1556932 [Oct 15 1904 ( reg. 1904)] Errigo, Pietra
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Re: Where to find birth records in Messina?
found:
her right first name was Petronilla, no Pietrina, here the arrival in USA
First Name : Petronilla
Last Name : Errigo
Nationality : Italy, Italian
Last Place of Residence : Villa S. Giovanni
Date of Arrival : May 27th, 1898
Age at Arrival : 9y
Gender : Female
Marital Status : Single
Ship of Travel : Alsatia
Port of Departure : Naples
Manifest Line Number : 0002
http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/p ... 5pZmVzdCI7
travelling with mother Angela Bellino, and siblings, joining to father Vincenzo Errigo
suanj
her right first name was Petronilla, no Pietrina, here the arrival in USA
First Name : Petronilla
Last Name : Errigo
Nationality : Italy, Italian
Last Place of Residence : Villa S. Giovanni
Date of Arrival : May 27th, 1898
Age at Arrival : 9y
Gender : Female
Marital Status : Single
Ship of Travel : Alsatia
Port of Departure : Naples
Manifest Line Number : 0002
http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/p ... 5pZmVzdCI7
travelling with mother Angela Bellino, and siblings, joining to father Vincenzo Errigo
suanj
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Re: Where to find birth records in Messina?
Petronilla Errigo born in Villa San Giovanni on 27 Jun 1889 #100 daughter of Vincenzo Errigo and Angela Bellino
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0
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http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0
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Re: Where to find birth records in Messina?
Very nice work, suanj. Looks like the first marriage was the necessary key to find the path to this family!
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Re: Where to find birth records in Messina?
in fact there were 2 Keys who helped me to find her arrival firstly, Birth record and marriage record:
1- 1910 census: the surname of her Brother " Riga" spelled.
2- the Death record of her first daughter, and her maiden name is spelled: Enrico
that inspired me: Errigo...
Regards,
suanj
1- 1910 census: the surname of her Brother " Riga" spelled.
2- the Death record of her first daughter, and her maiden name is spelled: Enrico
that inspired me: Errigo...
Regards,
suanj
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Re: Where to find birth records in Messina?
adelfio, VotM, suanj:
I'm overwhelmed by your generosity and detective work. You have found my Great Grandmother. She was indeed married before she met my Great Grandfather, and this, I understand, was something that 'wasn't talked about back then'. The child she lost, Rosa, was certainly kept secret. Amazing how these secrets have led to finding her birth record and true name.
By the way, Petrina (Pietronilla) worked at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory in Manhattan. On the 25th of March in 1911 she decided not to come into work (don't know why), and she missed the horrific fire that killed 146 immigrant garment workers, many of whom were her friends.
Thank you so much for your assistance. I can only hope that I can do the same for someone else.
Kind regards,
Peter
I'm overwhelmed by your generosity and detective work. You have found my Great Grandmother. She was indeed married before she met my Great Grandfather, and this, I understand, was something that 'wasn't talked about back then'. The child she lost, Rosa, was certainly kept secret. Amazing how these secrets have led to finding her birth record and true name.
By the way, Petrina (Pietronilla) worked at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory in Manhattan. On the 25th of March in 1911 she decided not to come into work (don't know why), and she missed the horrific fire that killed 146 immigrant garment workers, many of whom were her friends.
Thank you so much for your assistance. I can only hope that I can do the same for someone else.
Kind regards,
Peter
Re: Where to find birth records in Messina?
Hi Peter, I found your Pietrina/Petronilla and I am happy helped you;
when you search, the solution is not of itself.. and very often you have to enlarge the search to reach the goal..
This way to search is to help when conventional methods do not lead to any result, and especially when the name is a bit off....
best regards,
suanj
when you search, the solution is not of itself.. and very often you have to enlarge the search to reach the goal..
This way to search is to help when conventional methods do not lead to any result, and especially when the name is a bit off....
best regards,
suanj
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Re: Where to find birth records in Messina?
Just to complete the puzzle, I wonder if the "Carmela" (female, age 7?) listed on line 3 is actually her brother, Antonino Carmelo Errigo (a.k.a. "Tony Riga", age 19, on the 1910 census)?suanj wrote:found:
her right first name was Petronilla, no Pietrina, here the arrival in USA
[...]
http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/p ... 5pZmVzdCI7
travelling with mother Angela Bellino, and siblings, joining to father Vincenzo Errigo
suanj
birth record #114: http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 7.jpg.html
If so, it wouldn't be the first time the wrong sex was set down for a child passenger.
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