Translating Birth Certificate

[mmogno]

Donato died in "Casa di Pena" (= prison) in Padua


on April 20, 1903
(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1946877).

He had been condemned in 1893.

The sentence should be in the State Archives of Teramo.
http://www.archiviodistatoteramo.benicu ... ntagostino

[AngelaGrace56]

.... Casa di Pena (Penal Institution) (I think he was in prison), Padova...

http://3.citynews-padovaoggi.stgy.ovh/~ ... se-2-2.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 060907.jpg
http://padovacultura.padovanet.it/sites ... gioni_.jpg

Thank you. Fantastic pics! So sureal. The second pic is quite enchanting - it doesn't look anything like a prison - very diferent from the third pic which is so stark, and certainly echoes "prison" or something similar.

As always, great finds, mmogno.

There was also something received from the Court of Teramo dated 21 July 1893, and I'm not exactly sure whether it is saying that the father, Donato di Girolamo, prohibits the marriage or that he was prohibited...…... not sure?????? I'm sure someone else will be able to make sense of what is written and translate appropriately.

(I documenti sono: ... copia di Sentenza della Corte d'Assise di Teramo in data ventidue July milleottocentonovantatre, rilasciata da quel Cancelliere, colla quale si dichiara l'interdizione di Donato di Girolamo, padre della sposa.)

Art. 32 codice penale: Interdizione legale
Il condannato all’ergastolo è in stato di interdizione legale.
La condanna all’ergastolo importa anche la decadenza dalla potestà dei genitori.
Il condannato alla reclusione per un tempo non inferiore a cinque anni è, durante la pena, in stato d’interdizione legale; la condanna produce altresì, durante la pena, la sospensione dall’esercizio della potestà dei genitori .....

This is really interesting. Thank you for this. I was 99.9% sure that he was in prison, but I wasn't sure whether he had refused to give consent or whether he was prohibited from doing so. I couldn't get the wording and decipher all the script. This helps to clarify. I had a feeling this story was going to be a "web" - mmmmm - maybe time to detach myself from it - but I always love a mystery.

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Donato died in "Casa di Pena" (= prison) in Padua


on April 20, 1903
(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1946877).

He had been condemned in 1893.

The sentence should be in the State Archives of Teramo.
http://www.archiviodistatoteramo.benicu ... ntagostino

I am just moving this down from my previous post, to ensure that Jamie sees it.

Angela

[Jamiepalma2]

Thank you both! I can't wait to dig into the documents to see if i can find why he was in prison! This is great mystery and I'm having fun solving it with you guys! Ive been doing research all day. Ive found Donato Di Girolamos parents birth records I believe but still no luck on Massimilla Di Giovanni's family. Her family is the one that disowned her for marrying Donato so Ive been interested in finding out more on her family. Ill continue my search tonight and let you know what I come up with!

Its so amazing to me that as of a couple days ago we had barely any information on this side of the family and no hope of having any. I truly appreciate all the help you both have provided me with. I can't wait to share my findings with my grandpa!

[Jamiepalma2]

@mmogno do you know if the state archives of teramo website have their records online?

[AngelaGrace56]

Are these three of the four children that came to America with your Anna? (Incidentally, I think that in America names such as Antonietta, Antonina, Antonia may have got nicknamed to Anna?) (I hope your evening researching has been productive )


Birth No149: Gabriele Pantaleone Domenico Palma
Pianella: 24 July 1902, 8.30 am
Born: 20 July 1902, 2.20 pm, Contrada Cannavari, Pianella
Father: Vincenzo Palma, 22 yo, contadino
Mother: Antonietta di Girolamo, his wife, contadina, living with him
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=2043788

Birth No 128: Giuseppe Palma
Pianella: 13 July 1904, 7.45 am
Born: 11 July 1904, 11.30 pm, Contrada San Desiderio, No 619, Pianella
Father: Vincenzo Palma, 24 yo, contadino
Mother: Antoinetta di Girolamo, his wife, contadina, living with him
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=2043788

Birth No 36: Grazia Palma
Pianella: 10 February 1909, 11 am
Born: 7 February 1909, 4 am, Contrada San Desiderio, no number given
Father: Vincenzo Palma, 29 yo, contadino, living Pianella
Mother: Antonietta di Girolamo, his wife, contadina, living with him
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=2043788

Angela

[Jamiepalma2]

Yes those are three of the four children that came to America with Anna. Just wondering when I go to family search its not pulling up the items that you guys are finding. I go to the website then click on search and then put in the names. Should I be clicking on something different to view the italian documents that you guys are finding?

[Jamiepalma2]

I had no luck with my research last night. I did find an email on the link that @mmogno provided. I emailed them and asked where I would be able to find documents on a prison sentence. So hopefully they will get back with me. Massimillas family has been giving me trouble. I haven't been able to find any documents showing her parents names or her marriage documents. Ill continue searching today and share with you what i find.

[mmogno]

Donato Di Girolamo, sentenced on 22 July 1893 by the Corte d'Assise of Teramo to 21 years, 2 months, 7 days for robbery and complicity in murder, died on April 20, 1903 due to tuberculosis.



Direzione della Casa di Reclusione di Padova

N° d'Ordine 16 N° di Matr(icola) 1849 N° di Designaz(ione) //

Verbale di Decesso

L'anno millenovecentotre addi 21 del mese di Aprile, alle ore 10 nell'Infermeria della Casa, alla presenza del Sig(nor) Direttore, coll'intervento del Sig(nor) Pizzo Francesco medico della Casa, e del Sig(nor) Don Leandro Cappellano, e coll'assistenza dei Sig(no)ri Rossi Carlo e Fabris Gio(vanni) Battista testimoni cogniti, idonei e richiesti.

Si rende noto che il detenuto Di Girolamo Donato figlio di fu Nicola e di fu Lucia Ferrari di anni 56 nativo di Pianella e domiciliato a Pianella |Teramo| di professione contadino di stato civile coniugato con De Giovanni Massima stato condannato il 22 luglio 1893 dalla Corte d'assise di Teramo alla pena di Anni 21 mesi 2 giorni 7 per Rapina e concorso in omicidio entrato nella Casa il 2 Gennaio 1897 ed ammesso nell'Infermeria il 13 febbraio 1903, è deceduto alle ore 9.10 del giorno 20 aprile 1903 in seguito a Tubercolosi generale.

Del che si è redatto il presente verbale sottoscritto da tutti gli intervenuti, nell'anno, mese, e giorno suddetti.

Il Medico Il Cappellano

I Testimoni Il Segretario

Il Direttore

[Jamiepalma2]

You are amazing! You have no idea how much i appreciate everything your doing for me and my family. My grandpa will be so happy to see this! I will be forever grateful for what youve done for us! Thank you!

[AngelaGrace56]

Yes those are three of the four children that came to America with Anna.

Great, I suspected so. So basically, the first records you posted (1888 baptism record and 1909 marriage to Cetteo) are not your Anna. She is a sister to your Anna - Antonietta (aka Anna) who married Vincenzo Palma in 1901.

Did your Anna die in Hamilton, Ohio, USA in 1961? If so, I noticed that there is an entry on Ancestry which has a pic of her grave stone, which I believe says Antoniette (Anna) di Giroloma 1883 -1961. Unfortunately, I can't get a good pic of it because I don't subscribe to Ancestry. (If I'm out and about today I'll pop in to the library to see if I can view it.) Anyways, it looks like there is a tree "Sandra Villari Family Tree" on which Antonietta is included. If it is your Antonietta (aka Anna), maybe you could contact the owner of the tree for more info.

Just wondering when I go to family search its not pulling up the items that you guys are finding. I go to the website then click on search and then put in the names. Should I be clicking on something different to view the italian documents that you guys are finding?

You won't find the records that I have located on Family Search by entering the names on the "search" tool. Records are only found by this method if the records have been "indexed" which means that the vital info has been extracted from the respective records. I noticed some Pianella records have been "indexed" but not all. I have found your records by manually going through the indices on Family Search, researching the names, and then locating the record from the info on the indices. I think I provided some links for you to where to search earlier.

I had no luck with my research last night. Massimillas family has been giving me trouble. I haven't been able to find any documents showing her parents names or her marriage documents. Ill continue searching today and share with you what i find.

Disappointing for you. It's possible that she wasn't born in Pianella nor married there???? Once again, if you are using the search tool on Family Search, you will only find her that way if records relevant to her have been indexed. Otherwise you have to search through the records of the respective birth and marriage towns for her records.

Donato Di Girolamo, sentenced on 22 July 1893 by the Corte d'Assise of Teramo to 21 years, 2 months, 7 days for robbery and complicity in murder, died on April 20, 1903 due to tuberculosis...................

Fantastic find mmogno! You rock.

Angela

[Jamiepalma2]

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. The two family trees on ancestry are mine and my grandpas cousin. She has been able to share some information on our Sicilian side which are from San Filippo Superiore which I am researching the same time as I research our Pianella family. I believe the photos she has of Anna are from what I have shared. Ive been using google chrome and going through each year on ancestors italian archive site that you provided some links to. My search has been in the Pianella area but I'm going to try expanding it to the Bacucco area. I haven't been able to find that area on the website yet but Ill keep looking and see what I can come up with. I noticed in one of your translations of Anna's children birth certificates it has the street address to their home. I found a page Pianella page on Facebook that i emailed to see if they could put me on contact with someone that could tell me if the home is still there. Ive been told that the family purchased land in the area and may still own it. So hopefully we can figure out if this is the land.

[AngelaGrace56]

Happy to help Jamie

Re BMDs for Bacucco:
My understanding is, that Bacucco is just a little village in the province of Venezia belonging to the town of Chioggia. The Italian vital records are broken into provinces. The province of Venezia only seem to have the earlier records on line at the antenati site. http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... i+Venezia/

There are more at family search. Bacucco isn't mentioned there but hopefully will be included with the Chioggia records​​????? Hopefully someone might confirm/negate. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=2043809

I had a very quick look there at 1883 births but couldn't see one for Antoinetta. You may have better luck.

Angela

[Jamiepalma2]

So when I go to family search what do i click on first to get to the area that you have been scanning through?

[mmogno]

Re BMDs for Bacucco:
My understanding is, that Bacucco is just a little village in the province of Venezia belonging to the town of Chioggia.

Arsita is a town in the province of Teramo in Abruzzo. Up to 1906 was called Bacucco

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsita
http://asciatopo.xoom.it/ammi_te.html

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1947829