Antenati record for Teresa Salvo

[mjclayton1]

Ciao, Forum-

Been awhile since I've posted here. Can someone please figure out the name of Teresa Salvo's father on this 1847 record (No. 51) from Messina, Villafranca, Sicily (Immagine 37):

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

It almost looks like it starts out as being Mal_____ but I don't think that's correct. Even the index as to the record is unclear (Immagine 105):

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

Some of the pertinent data on both pages is pretty bad, but I get the gist of most of it.

Grazie tutti.

Mark

[erudita74]

Hi Mark
It looks like Melcione (which should be Melchione) to me.
Erudita

[mjclayton1]

Thanks, Erudita. Much appreciated. Can you also tell me about the village noted therein? I've seen records that appear to indicate "scarcelli villagio", which seems to translate to "slave" village?. Similar thing with a residence noted in record No 79 here (contrada scarcelli) for:

Margherita Venuto:
Record No. 79

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1887904

Mark

[erudita74]

Mark
I know that "Scarcelli" is considered a frazione or hamlet of the town of Villafranca-you are calling it a "village." In this record though, it is referred to as Contrada Scarcelli. From what I've read, a contrada is a district or ward within a city, or a geographical zone of an old city. I could be wrong, but I thought that a frazione or hamlet was more on the outskirts of a city, rather than an area within a city, yet it was under the city's administrative offices. I may be very wrong on this, so I'm deferring your question to one of our native Italian friends on the forum.

BTW, no more French Canadian records? are you finished with those?

Good to have you back on the forum.

Erudita

[mjclayton1]

Hi, Erudita-

Thanks for that extra insight on the Scarcelli/hamlet angle. I wasn't aware of the contrada-frazione difference (inside or outside of a city proper). Actually, sounds quite plausible (if I do say so myself!), so until further notice I'll take you at your (much trusted) word...

Thanks for asking about the French Canadian records search, too. I have indeed taken pause there, but you should know that you helped propel me significantly forward in that regard. Part of the reason that I've backed off of that is that I've had a lot of personal contact of late, from both cousins known and heretofore unknown...

Not to bog down the public forum with my personal stuff too much, but one of the best contacts is from a shared McAndrew ancestor (that surname will undoubtedly be familiar to you - you helped me with numerous translations on that Forum). It has been so unbelievably informative, erudita, I just can't tell you. A couple of sisters from Winnipeg and Prince Edward Island, respectively, are direct descendants to the brother of my great-grandmother...

They have so much family history stuff. I've shared several photos and stories that that they've both enjoyed and, in kind, they've blown me away with relevant journal excerpts and also several photos themselves, including positively identifying three photos that my mom had in her archives that turned out to be my 2x great grandmother. It was truly incredible for me to (finally) "visually" confirm who this person was, even if it only was a view of her very late in her life. The kicker is that they also had a photo of the pair (their grandfather with my great-grandmother) with... get this... their grandmother. OMG, erudita, My 3x great-grandmother! The moment I first saw that I just about fell on my derriere, right then and there. She was born ca. 1818 and died in 1915. IIRC, you helped me translate at least one of her records (Maria Sweeney Dolan). It was a sublime moment for me...

One last thing: my DNA came in and 23andMe had me at 13.4% Italian My. Mind. Is. Blown. I showed less than that number (%-wise) when I uploaded my raw date to FTDNA and MyHeritage, but even Gedmatch admixture calculators point to an Italian possibility (Eurogenes k13 and k15 admixture calculators). It's crazy, erudita. I have no clue as to where it comes from, so I think I'm missing something - either an adoption or perhaps an NPE, etc., going back a few generations. Just not sure. The Italian matches that I am getting (e.g., No. 2 and No. 7 on FTDNA and No. 2 on 23andMe) all seem to be pointing to Messina, Sicily (comuni of Saponara and Villafranca). This is why I posted the Teresa Salvo record here, as this woman is in one of my match's family trees. I'm trying to put it all together, but it's a pretty difficult nut to crack (how does one ever definitively find out about stuff like this?)...

Anyway, thanks again and I'll try and stay in touch here a bit more. I can always use your wonderful help!

Best,
Mark

[erudita74]

Happy to hear that you've found some definite connections to your ancestry, Mark. Photos-I recall when a third cousin and I found relatives in Argentina who had the same photo of my mom's one grandmother that we both had among our old family photos.
Keep us updated.
Erudita