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This is the annotations in my relative's baptismal registry, 1895, Transfiguration Church , NYC.
He left NYC in 1912 to Afragola, and wanted to return in 1924, but he needed to prove his tie to the USA and actual date of birth, through the US Consul in Italy.
I suspect its references to documentation in Afragola, and Rome? but its not clear to me...any input is appreciated...
He left NYC in 1912 to Afragola, and wanted to return in 1924, but he needed to prove his tie to the USA and actual date of birth, through the US Consul in Italy.
I suspect its references to documentation in Afragola, and Rome? but its not clear to me...any input is appreciated...
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Near the bottom it says that Pasquale Balzano was born 29 Nov 1896 in New York, not in 1894.
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Thank you Carubia....thats important . I find it strange its entered in the registry as born in 1894, yet other documents seem to contradict it...
I read the first part as
"based on a certificate penale ? from Rome ? dated, 14 nov 1914"
and from a "secondo certificate from Afragola, Napoli, dated, 8 nov 1924.."
and a "third foglino concedo illimitato ?, Napoli, dated, 15 dec 1919."
and last part..
risulta che pasquale balsamo e nato il 29 nov 1896, a New York, e non nel 1894.
Titra ve ? nel registro 1896.
Having difficulty reading the underlines parts...?
i do know he was in italian military from 1915-1920...so there is prob a reference to that document which would state his birth...i believ he had to be 21 yrs old to start in military....
I read the first part as
"based on a certificate penale ? from Rome ? dated, 14 nov 1914"
and from a "secondo certificate from Afragola, Napoli, dated, 8 nov 1924.."
and a "third foglino concedo illimitato ?, Napoli, dated, 15 dec 1919."
and last part..
risulta che pasquale balsamo e nato il 29 nov 1896, a New York, e non nel 1894.
Titra ve ? nel registro 1896.
Having difficulty reading the underlines parts...?
i do know he was in italian military from 1915-1920...so there is prob a reference to that document which would state his birth...i believ he had to be 21 yrs old to start in military....
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I'm missing one word in the top line
N.B. (Latin for Note Well)-In ? di un certifcato Penale di Roma (14 Nov 1914)
di un secondo certificato del municipio di Afragola Prov((ince) Napoli (8 Nov 1924)
di un terzo (Foglino Concedo (Congedo) Illimitato (Napoli-15-12-1919)
risulta che Pasquale Balsamo e` nato 1l 29 Nov 1896 a New York e non nel 1894.
Si trova nel registro 1896.
*the missing word looks like the word "base." I assume it means "on the basis of ...". In other words, the certificate from the court in Rome in 1914 was the thing that started the whole process, or the issuing of the other certificates, and the clarification of Pasquale's date of birth.
Erudita
N.B. (Latin for Note Well)-In ? di un certifcato Penale di Roma (14 Nov 1914)
di un secondo certificato del municipio di Afragola Prov((ince) Napoli (8 Nov 1924)
di un terzo (Foglino Concedo (Congedo) Illimitato (Napoli-15-12-1919)
risulta che Pasquale Balsamo e` nato 1l 29 Nov 1896 a New York e non nel 1894.
Si trova nel registro 1896.
*the missing word looks like the word "base." I assume it means "on the basis of ...". In other words, the certificate from the court in Rome in 1914 was the thing that started the whole process, or the issuing of the other certificates, and the clarification of Pasquale's date of birth.
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erudita74 wrote: 29 Oct 2017, 14:03 I'm missing one word in the top line
N.B. (Italianfor Note Well)-In ? di un certifcato Penale di Roma (14 Nov 1914)
di un secondo certificato del municipio di Afragola Prov((ince) Napoli (8 Nov 1924)
di un terzo (Foglio Concedo (Congedo) Illimitato (Napoli-15-12-1919)
risulta che Pasquale Balsamo e` nato 1l 29 Nov 1896 a New York e non nel 1894.
Si trova nel registro 1896.
*the missing word looks like the word "base." I assume it means "on the basis of ...". In other words, the certificate from the court in Rome in 1914 was the thing that started the whole process, or the issuing of the other certificates, and the clarification of Pasquale's date of birth.
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Yes, foglio. N.B. is both Latin and Italian, as far as I know. Nota bene
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I agree, but the annotation is in Italian!erudita74 wrote: 29 Oct 2017, 15:38 Yes, foglio. N.B. is both Latin and Italian, as far as I know. Nota bene
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Yes, but my thinking was that the Court might use Latin terms in its documents. In any case, the meaning is the same.
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Thank you both, that clarifies it. The 1919 documents must be his military discharge papers...
does this mean he has criminal record, as recorded in Rome ?
does this mean he has criminal record, as recorded in Rome ?
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Actually, the abbreviation N.B. is used in English as well, but it came from Latin, not Italian.
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I think you're going to have to do some research concerning the "certificato penale," as the Fascists revised the penale code in the early 1930s, and then it was revised again in 1989. So I'm not sure that using a current explanation of this particular kind of certificate would be accurate.
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I've done some further investigation concerning the certificato penale. From Trafford Cole's book on Italian Records:
From the beginning of the Italian state, police records have been maintained on all Italian citizens. Basically the "certificato penale"- was a court felony certificate which indicated that the person's record was clear. It was a certificate needed when applying for certain jobs or for public office. This record is held by the tribunal court of each province and can be obtained from the casellario giudiziale. It gives the name of the person, the names of that person's parents, place of birth, indicates who requested the document, and it attests that, in this particular court, the person has a clean record. I found a sample on ebay, which I will come back and post a link to.
http://www.ebay.it/itm/REGNO-DITALIA-TR ... 1733533902
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From the beginning of the Italian state, police records have been maintained on all Italian citizens. Basically the "certificato penale"- was a court felony certificate which indicated that the person's record was clear. It was a certificate needed when applying for certain jobs or for public office. This record is held by the tribunal court of each province and can be obtained from the casellario giudiziale. It gives the name of the person, the names of that person's parents, place of birth, indicates who requested the document, and it attests that, in this particular court, the person has a clean record. I found a sample on ebay, which I will come back and post a link to.
http://www.ebay.it/itm/REGNO-DITALIA-TR ... 1733533902
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The "certificato penale" is a document containing an extract from the criminal records recorded in the criminal record register (Casellario giudiziale) and contains the history of all the convictions of a citizen. If no convictions are recorded the certificate will explicitly show the word "nulla" (nothing). As pointed out by Erudita the certificate was (and still is) required when applying for certain jobs especially for public office, and it was supposed to show "nulla".
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Thank you. I now remember this from Cole also...It would be interesting to eventually obtain this, especially for my GF's family....
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You must be quite old!
