D' Angelo family from Bologna, Italy

[CarolMorris63]

Is it pronounced like "Boy-an'-o" ?

[suanj]

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... l-progetto
Last right page. You read the name at bottom. This is he sure to 100%

[suanj]

Before to start the search in italian civil records needs to collect sure data checking all. "Walk on secure territory"

[CarolMorris63]

I believe I found! He was born in my province! After searched in the arrivals, I found a probable arrival, and the birthplace was "Boano" I thinked that really was Bojano in Campobasso province, Molise region! My same region and province! Well the birthyear was a bit off so I tried from 1870 to 1875.
Felice D'ANGELO born in Bojano, Campobasso, IT on 9 June 1872 #98 son of Nicola D'ANGELO ( son of Domenico) 23 old, farmer, and of Aurelia CASOLI (daughter of Vincenzo) 24 old.

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... d=64321205
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... 9.jpg.html
Best regards,
suanj

Please, is there a death date for Nicola D'Angelo or Aurelia Casoli?
Thank you.

[suanj]

Is it pronounced like "Boy-an'-o" ?

yes

[suanj]

I believe I found! He was born in my province! After searched in the arrivals, I found a probable arrival, and the birthplace was "Boano" I thinked that really was Bojano in Campobasso province, Molise region! My same region and province! Well the birthyear was a bit off so I tried from 1870 to 1875.
Felice D'ANGELO born in Bojano, Campobasso, IT on 9 June 1872 #98 son of Nicola D'ANGELO ( son of Domenico) 23 old, farmer, and of Aurelia CASOLI (daughter of Vincenzo) 24 old.

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... d=64321205
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... 9.jpg.html
Best regards,
suanj

Please, is there a death date for Nicola D'Angelo or Aurelia Casoli?
Thank you.

you can try here in the index.. if you find the name, you can try in the page by the number associated with the name in the index http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ano/Morti/

[suanj]

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... l-progetto
Last right page. You read the name at bottom. This is he sure to 100%

sorry wrong link here the right
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... d=64321205 and followed page

[CarolMorris63]

I believe I found! He was born in my province! After searched in the arrivals, I found a probable arrival, and the birthplace was "Boano" I thinked that really was Bojano in Campobasso province, Molise region! My same region and province! Well the birthyear was a bit off so I tried from 1870 to 1875.
Felice D'ANGELO born in Bojano, Campobasso, IT on 9 June 1872 #98 son of Nicola D'ANGELO ( son of Domenico) 23 old, farmer, and of Aurelia CASOLI (daughter of Vincenzo) 24 old.

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... d=64321205
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... 9.jpg.html
Best regards,
suanj

Please, is there a death date for Nicola D'Angelo or Aurelia Casoli?
Thank you.

you can try here in the index.. if you find the name, you can try in the page by the number associated with the name in the index http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ano/Morti/

Thank you. I am traveling on a train with no wi-fi service. I will try when I return home. Thank you once again for your assistance.

[CarolMorris63]

Hello again,

I am restarting my ancestry. Some information is confusing to me. Ancestry.com states I have Northern Italy DNA, but that is not Boiano.

My great-grandfather Felice D'Angelo was born 9 Jun 1870-1872. (The family thought "Bologna", but you strongly believe Boiano)

Is there any way of knowing if Nicola D'Angelo (Born 6 Dec 1848) and wife Aurelia Casoli (Born about 1848) had other children?

Grazie.

[suanj]

Sorry.... I don't know abt your DNA...

However:
The name Felice D'Angelo is a popular name and many went in the USA. I thought Bojano because you say Bologna, but considering that he married a woman with the surname Capone which is typical of southern Italy, I can hardly believe that someone born in Bologna marries a woman from the south. They belonged to two different worlds at that time. In 20 years of genealogy I have found only two or three cases in which a person from the south married someone from the north of Italy. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but the incidence was minimal and therefore negligible. In any case, in the census of 1900, her mother-in-law was Luigia Capucci, not Capone,
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 3AMSJR-RMZ

Clearly we have to rely on what you say and what the records tell us, because finding Felice's marriage means discovering the name of his parents, and knowing the parents' names I think it is easier to understand which area of Italy he came from.

On 1900 census, two brothers was with Felice: Antonio born on Mar 1875 and Vincenzo born on May 1879. And Felice birth date is jan 1870. So to search in a similar confusion is terrible.. But we have the brother's names.. almost that...

about siblings I think it is appropriate to provide names and dates of birth, because if the data are inaccurate, ot is no helpful ...
I believe that we need to "skim" the unreliable data we have and only remain the right ones... Considering that what results in USA could be wrong in Italy, comparing the data....
So before of anything to know the parent's names .. Because D'Angelo is a very popular surname, as a well the first names Felice, Antonio and Vincenzo, so it is easy to find a similar record but it could be wrong because we don't know the parent's names...

[suanj]

Looking for birth records for maternal great-grandfather Felice D' Angelo born 1870. Where can I locate Italian records? He likely immigrated to USA in 1891.

Hi, why you think that the family coming from Bologna? on 1900 census, Felice was married and at home also two his brother: Vincenzo and Antonio.
Both coming from Galdo degli alburni a hamlet of Sicignano Degli Alburni, Salerno, IT
Here your Felice military draft card:

serie: Leva

comuneleva: Galdo

progressivo: 7

leva: 1869

cognome: d'Angelo

nome: Felice

paternità e maternità: Sabato e Caula Rosa ( CAULO right)

nuovanascita: 31/03/1869

località di nascita: Sicignano degli Alburni (Galdo)

professione: contadino

born on 31 Mar 1869 son of Sabato ( son of late Felice) 37 old, farmer and of Rosa CAULO
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... =221064162

the marriage:
Felic D'Angelo
New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1829-1940





Name:
Felic D'Angelo
Sex:
Male
Age:
25
Birth Year (Estimated):
1870
Birthplace:
Italy
Marital Status:
Single
Race:
White
Father's Name:
Sabato
Mother's Name:
Rosa Caslo
Spouse's Name:
Maria Corucci
Spouse's Sex:
Female
Spouse's Age:
17
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated):
1878
Spouse's Birthplace:
Italy
Spouse's Marital Status:
Single
Spouse's Race:
White
Spouse's Father's Name:
.../
Spouse's Mother's Name:
... L. Ferrara
Marriage Date:
21 Feb 1895
Marriage Place:
Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Marriage Place (Original):
Manhattan, New York

many records lacking but I believe that Rosa Caulo died on 1873, by ten index, but the 1873 register lacking.. I believe that Sabato remarried and had the other children..
suanj

I checked again and by 1900 census, to see my last post, well seems that my first find, ignoring BoJano just because is a town starting with "Bo" and I am convinced that this is the right marriage record...
Name Felic D'Angelo
Sex Male
Age 25
Birth Year (Estimated) 1870
Birthplace Italy
Marital Status Single
Race White
Father's Name Sabato
Mother's Name Rosa Caslo (CAULO right)
Spouse's Name Maria Corucci
Spouse's Sex Female
Spouse's Age 17
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1878
Spouse's Birthplace Italy
Spouse's Marital Status Single
Spouse's Race White
Spouse's Father's Name .../
Spouse's Mother's Name ... L. Ferrara
Marriage Date 21 Feb 1895
Marriage Place Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Marriage Place (Original) Manhattan, New York
Event Type Marriage

and this is the Felice birth record in Galdo hamlet of Sicignano degli Alburni
https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... 81/5dKdevz
Who diAntonio and Vincenzo at home together with Felice who have declared to be his brothers .. Unfortunately with the data as they appear in the USA it is a little difficult because we cannot know everything. But, for example with regard to his brother, or cousin who knows, Antonio D'Angelo who claims to be born in 1875, if you look at this shi's manifest, he leaves his wife Carmina in Galdo, and is traveling with his daughter Maria, and goes in New York by his brother Felice
pag 1
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1368704
pag 2 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1368704
and he stayed previously until 1907 in USA in New York

Name Antonio D'Angelo
Sex Male
Age 37
Immigration Date 23 May 1911
Immigration Place Ellis Island, New York City, New York, United States
Residence Place Galdo, Italy
Marital Status Married
Nationality Italy, Italian
Additional Person's Name Carmine
Second Additional Person's Name Felice
Event Type Immigration
Page Number 52
Affiliate Line Number 0005
Departure Port Naples
Ship Name Hamburg
Image Number 0



and by comparing with the given address of Felice ..mott St New York and the address of the 1905 census, you see that the address is the same. This should convince them that they were brothers and that they were born in Galdo.



https://i.postimg.cc/ZRBp9sfk/004518303-00267.jpg
I believe that Antonio was born on 1874, but lacking many years of births.. as a well of other records..
best regards,
suanj

[CarolMorris63]

Sorry.... I don't know abt your DNA...

However:
The name Felice D'Angelo is a popular name and many went in the USA. I thought Bojano because you say Bologna, but considering that he married a woman with the surname Capone which is typical of southern Italy, I can hardly believe that someone born in Bologna marries a woman from the south. They belonged to two different worlds at that time. In 20 years of genealogy I have found only two or three cases in which a person from the south married someone from the north of Italy. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but the incidence was minimal and therefore negligible. In any case, in the census of 1900, her mother-in-law was Luigia Capucci, not Capone,
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 3AMSJR-RMZ

Clearly we have to rely on what you say and what the records tell us, because finding Felice's marriage means discovering the name of his parents, and knowing the parents' names I think it is easier to understand which area of Italy he came from.

On 1900 census, two brothers was with Felice: Antonio born on Mar 1875 and Vincenzo born on May 1879. And Felice birth date is jan 1870. So to search in a similar confusion is terrible.. But we have the brother's names.. almost that...

about siblings I think it is appropriate to provide names and dates of birth, because if the data are inaccurate, ot is no helpful ...
I believe that we need to "skim" the unreliable data we have and only remain the right ones... Considering that what results in USA could be wrong in Italy, comparing the data....
So before of anything to know the parent's names .. Because D'Angelo is a very popular surname, as a well the first names Felice, Antonio and Vincenzo, so it is easy to find a similar record but it could be wrong because we don't know the parent's names...
[/quote]

The New York Felice D'Angelo is a different man, with a similar birthdate and similar immigration to USA.

"My" Felice D'Angelo was born June 9, 1870 or 1872.
Your research showed his father Nicola D'Angelo (born 1848) and mother Aurelia Casoli. I am curious if they had other children?

Felice was positively married (in USA 1902) to Raffaela Marie Capone (born 1884)

[suanj]

Sorry maybe I no explained very well... please to see the 1905 census:


https://i.postimg.cc/ZRBp9sfk/004518303-00267.jpg this is your Felice yes or not?
Pease to read the address and remember it. Ok.

When is brother Antonio went in USA the second time, please to read the address of the his brother Felice, it is same address or no?
pag 1
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1368704
pag 2 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1368704
and he stayed previously until 1907 in USA in New York

Name Antonio D'Angelo
Sex Male
Age 37
Immigration Date 23 May 1911
Immigration Place Ellis Island, New York City, New York, United States
Residence Place Galdo, Italy
Marital Status Married
Nationality Italy, Italian
Additional Person's Name Carmine
Second Additional Person's Name Felice
Event Type Immigration
Page Number 52
Affiliate Line Number 0005
Departure Port Naples
Ship Name Hamburg
Image Number 0


On the ship manifest the birthplace is Galdo hamlet of Sicignano degli Alburni, yes or no.
Your Felice was born in Galdo also, and the parent's was Sabato D'ANGELO and Rosa CAULO and his birthdate was the 31/March/1869, so result in Italy...

if you knew that about 90% of the searches we do have this error, you might be convinced.
And no doubt that this marriage record is abt your Felice.. Please don 't make attention to bad transcription of Maria maiden name.. I foun Capuci and Corucci, I don't know the right surname spelling. I think that a document , maybe with mispelled names , is a evidence. Right. You think Capone or Caponi but what documents you have? You can show the marriage records.. In the genealogy, the US records near of immigration date are the most affordables, because the immigrants don't lost the their memory of Italians facts.... so what evidence you have abt that.. this is the right marriage record....

on 1915 census:
Name Felice d'Angelo
Sex Male
Age 45
Event Date 1915
Event Place New York City, New York County, New York, United States
Event Place (Original) New York, A.D. 03, E.D. 12, New York, New York, United States
Birth Year (Estimated) 1870
Years in United States 23
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Event Type Census
House Number 273
Line Number 33
Page 19
Affiliate Image Identifier 32848_B094056
Felice d'Angelo's Spouses and Children
Mary d'Angelo
Wife
F
36
Rosina d'Angelo
Daughter
F
17
Louisa d'Angelo
Daughter
F
14
Jennie d'Angelo
Daughter
F
11
Antoniette d'Angelo
Daughter
F
6
Sabato d'Angelo
Son
M
2
Other People on This Record
Louisa Ferraro
F
58

1915 census:

https://i.postimg.cc/3NG2Q56s/32848-B094056-00081.jpg

You can see that is the same address where the brother Antonio mentioned in his second trip.
So if this is the family of your Felice, and if his brother was born in Galdo, also Felice was born in Galdo, and just one was born in Galdo but on 1869, 31 Mar, and in Italy the civil records are very precise, and....

Look the children first names: Sabato and Rosa following the italian naming tradition...
I believe my search right.
You can see that the mother in law stated her maiden name.. I believe that the maiden name of Maria Raffaela was no Caponi, however you can get the church marriage records, they was catholic, and on the church marriage records you can read the right spelling because the priests are very precises also...

I can't tell you anything else to convince you. The final proof is the address ... Antonio d'Angelo goes to his brother Felice at that address, Felice D'Angelo lives at that address. He looks at the names of the family members. I posted you two censuses, you can read them. If that family at that address belongs to TUO Felice, and the brother was born in Galdo and Galdo is born in 1969 on March 31st, and the parents' names are Sabato and Rosa Caulo, the same ones he declares at the civil marriage, he is only a matter of logic to understand that everything is ok.

[suanj]

I hope I was clear:
If your Felice D'Angelo lived in Mott St Manhattan, New York (by censuses) and Antonio D'Angelo goes to his brother Felice in Mott St Manhattan, New York, and Antonio d'Angelo was born in Galdo, and as they were brothers Felice was also born in Galdo, is it right and logical to think like this?
And if only a Felice D'Angelo was born in Galdo on March 31, 1869, son of Sabato and Rosa Caulo, and your Felice D'Angelo on the marriage document gives these same names as his parents, then it is him.
Bologna or not Bologna, 1870 or 1872 are useless things because everyone knows that the most common and normal mistake of Italians who emigrated to the USA is precisely the date of birth.
However that is all.

[CarolMorris63]

No, he is not Manhattan, New York City.

Felice (Phillip in USA) lived in Camden, NJ 1905 census.
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-co ... 7711:61557

Felice D'Angelo and Raffaela Capone married 1902 New Jersey.