Birth Certificate - Montese - Angelo and Angela Bonetti

[deigo1]

Hello could someone help with translating the below birth records. The father is Albano Bonetti in both, but there appears to be a long description in the spot of the mother in Angelo's that I'm unable to make out. Also for Angela it appears their is possibly a marriage and death stamp in the margin.

Angela Bonetti- 1883
https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... 84/58xqMZm

Angelo Bonetti - 1879
https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... 71/wOO21zd

Thank you!
D.

[Tessa78]

The first...

#127
Dated 10 August 1883 in Motese
Father: Albano Bonetti, 31, landowner, residing in Ranocchio(?)
Mother: Erminia Masotti, his wife, housewife, residing with him
Birth on 9 August at 8:30 AM in the house in Ranocchio #77
The presentation of the child to the official was dispensed with as the distance of the birth was long.
The child was given the name Angela.
Marriage notation in margin:
Angela Bonetti married with Giuseppe Borelli in Montese on 17 February 1908 (#4)
Death notation in margin:
Angela Bonetti died in Montese on 10 January 1952. (#2, Parte I)

Here is the link to the marriage in 1908.
https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... 03/03W4lJ4

The second...

#202
Dated 16 November 1879 in Montese
Father: Albano Boretti, 27, farmer residing in Ranocchio
Mother: A women, not his wife and who does not consent to be named, residing with him in Ranocchio in the farmhouse called Penna.
The child was born on 14 November at 6:15 AM, without life.
He was given the name Angelo.
The official dispensed with the presentation of the child due to the distance of the birth.

T.

[deigo1]

Thank you as always Tessa!

I was doing some further research last night and found two older siblings. I was curious is the mother not wanting to be identified language in both and were they both born lifeless? I was wondering if it would be like a previous one we had found, where when the parents marry they recognize the children.

Guilio Bonetti
https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... 68/w1WYNqB
Germinia (?) Bonetti
https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... 85/57mgWXQ

Thank you,
D.

[Tessa78]

Giulio was not born without life, but Geminiano was born without life.

It is probably as you say, the parents were not married at the time of the births. Subsequently, we know they married. The marriage should reflect acknowledgement of the children.

Do you have the marriage act?
It should be between 1877 and 1883

edit to add:
Here is the marriage in 1882.
Bride is Armenia Sabbadina Masotti, age 28, born in Rosola, daughter of Pietro and of Marianna Fiorini.
The only child they recognize from their natural union before this marriage is a daughter Maria Pia Bonetti, born in December 1880.

It is possible the earlier births were not hers, or all of the children prior to birth of Maria Pia are deceased.
https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... 69/wOO2A2G

Edit2:
Here is the death act of Giulio in 1878, January.
Interestingly, though she did not want to be named in his birth act, Erminia is named as the mother in Giulio's death act.
#3
https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... 05/wj2W3gm

T.

[deigo1]

This is great, more names !! Thank you so much Tessa.

It is still so interesting that she wouldn't be named at birth for 3 of her children (maybe 4 with Maria), but I guess at least with the death record it confirms the suspicions that it was Erminina.

I don't see Maria listed in the 1880 birth index, but I also think that the Part 3 of birth records is missing on the site. The index goes up into the 200's but Part 2 is short of that, and being December I would think it would be a later number.

Thanks again,
D.

[Tessa78]

Here is the birth act in 1880 of Maria Pia Boretti - #186
The mother is not named (which we knew,) and the act of recognition is noted in the margin with the marriage of her parents.
Also noted in the margin is Maria Pia's marriage with Giosue' Borelli on 14 December 1914.
https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... 57/Lp2WrAk

T.

[deigo1]

Thank you!

...and now I'm wondering why I didn't start at the back of Part 2 and look lol. I had just found the 1914 marriage and was scrolling through the wedding attachments for it (400 pages of disorganization).

Thanks again!
D.

[Tessa78]

Thank you!

...and now I'm wondering why I didn't start at the back of Part 2 and look lol. I had just found the 1914 marriage and was scrolling through the wedding attachments for it (400 pages of disorganization).

Thanks again!
D.

The allegati for Maria Pia Bonetti and Giosue' Borelli begins on image page 264, with the certificate of poverty for both Giosue" and Maria
https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... 44/LqMGGdX
Then:
Extract of Giosue's birth act
Extract of Maria's birth act
First Publication
Second Publication
Certificate of Publication resulting in no opposition

T.