searching for Vincenzo Pangaro

[italianmutt]

Good evening! I am hoping for help searching for the birth record of Vincenzo Pangaro. He was born in 1876 in Chiarmonte, Potenza. I don't see the year 1876 on antenati. If anyone is able to find it on familysearch, I would be very grateful!

[mmogno]

Vincenzo Pangaro not found in 1876
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=776525

[TerraLavoro]

mmogno beat me to the punch. FYI, the name of the town is Chiaromonte.

[AngelaGrace56]

Well you all bet me. I'm always the snail. Anyways I'd already typed the following up so will post it here.


Are you sure he was born in 1876​? Who were his parents?

Here is a link to the 1876 birth indices in Chiaromonte – I don’t see a Vincenzo Pangaro. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=776525


I checked indices of 1873, 1874, 1877, 1878, 1879 but no Vincenzo Pangaro. There were no 1875 birth records so he may have been born that year.

Edit to Add: What I would suggest you do, is write to the State Archives in Potenza and ask if he is on the Class 1875 Draft List. That's what I had to do for my grandfather because his birth year records were missing. They were able to confirm his date of birth and of course I already knew who his parents were so everything matched.

Angela

[italianmutt]

Thank you everyone. All of his immigration/naturalization/USA documents list 1876 as his birth. I don't know who his parents were- I was searching for his birth record to try to find out their names. I know he was married to Caterina Battista sometime around 1897 as their first child was born in 1898. I have not been able to find their marriage record either, which would probably clarify his birth year. Did anyone come across their marriage record?

[erudita74]

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=776525

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this is the marriage publication (banns of marriage) and not the marriage itself with the names of the parents-Aug 30, 1896

Vincenzo was age 20 and the son of Pasquale Pangaro (age 50) and deceased Maddalena Maria*-Maria is a surname in the town

Caterina Battista was 19 and the daughter of Giovanni Battista (age 51) and Lucia Fiegoli

All were peasants (contadino/contadina)

marriage Sept 17, 1896

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1947686

[erudita74]

marriage of Caterina's parents-Oct 28, 1869-record #24-Lucia's surname on this record is Figoli

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1947686

October 10, 1874 the marriage of Vincenzo's parents:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1947686

Sorry- on my way out and can't translate these now.

[italianmutt]

Thank you!

For the marriage of Vincenzo's parents... I can make out that Pasquale Leonardo Pangaro was the son of the late Vincenzo and Maria Antonia Amendolara and was 26 . Maddalena Maria was also 26 and a foundling. Both were from Chiaromonte and farmers.

Does it say the age of Maria Antonia /anything else Im missing?

Also, if he was 26 at the time of the marriage, he should have been born in 1876

[erudita74]

Thank you!

For the marriage of Vincenzo's parents... I can make out that Pasquale Leonardo Pangaro was the son of the late Vincenzo and Maria Antonia Amendolara and was 26 . Maddalena Maria was also 26 and a foundling. Both were from Chiaromonte and farmers.

Does it say the age of Maria Antonia /anything else Im missing?-her age is not given in the record. You have all the important info from the record.

Also, if he was 26 at the time of the marriage, he should have been born in 1876 ages in marriage and death records are not always accurate. I think he was born in 1875, but that year of birth records is missing. Also they had a child named Giuseppe on Feb 15, 1878. in the house on via Pisacane, a street which still exists in the town. Maddalena Maria age 23 in this record and Pasquale age 25. So you even see from this later record how inaccurate ages in these records are.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=776525

[AngelaGrace56]

Just wanted to point out something. While I know that "Maria" is a surname in the town I am understanding from reading the records here which quote "Maddalena Maria" that the invented surname the official gave to the foundling was Maddalena not Maria. Maria is the Christian name of the mother not the surname. So mother's name is Maria Maddalena.

Angela

[italianmutt]

thank you all for your help

[erudita74]

You asked about Maria Antonia's age. Here's her marriage, at age 18, in 1847 to Vincenzo Pangaro

https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... 56/57QAV8q

p.41 of 74 Solemn Promise (left column) dated July 29, 1847. Marriage in the Parish of San Giovanni on Aug 2nd (right column).

Vincenzo was age 26, a day laborer, and the son of Leonardo Pangaro and Maria di Marco.

Maria Antonia was age 18 and the daughter of deceased Domenico Amendolara and Maria Breglia.

Vincenzo Pangaro in birth register for 1820-page 3 of 4 (Oct 16, 1820)

https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... Od?lang=en

[erudita74]

Death of Mariantonia Amendolara on Oct 19, 1892 at age 69.

Her parents both deceased. Widow of deceased Pasquale Pangaro died in house #2 on via Mario Pagano

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=776525

[AngelaGrace56]

And Maria Antonia's birth record:

Birth No 1: Maria Antonia Amendolara
Registered in Chiaromonte on 7 January 1828

Appearing before the official was Domenico Amendolara, son of Francesco, 41 yo, Bracciale (day labourer), living in Chiaromonte, who presented a baby girl who was born from Maria Breglia, his legitimate wife, 40 yo, who lived with her husband, and (born) from himself, the declarant, as above. The baby was born on 6 January 1828 at 12 noon in the house of her parents in Strada Portello, without number, and given the name Maria Antonia.

Maria Antonia Amendolara was baptised on 7 January 1828, Parroco di San Giovambattista

https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... 58/LDXgpEj
https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... 58/wRnRgOe (Page 2 and 3 of 127)

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Unfortunately Maria Antonia's father, Domenico, died a few months after her birth:

Death Record No 72: Domenico Amendolaro

Chiaromonte: 19 October 1828

Domenico Amendolaro, died on 18 October 1828 in his own home. He was born in Chiaromonte, 43 yo, a day labourer, living in Chiaromonte, the son of the deceased Francesco Amendolaro, also a day labourer, who had lived in Chiaramonte, and of the deceased Teresa D’Ursi, who had also lived in Chiaromonte, with her husband.
https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... 85/Lm4ooYB (Page 38 of 54)

Edit to Add: A copy of this same record was included in the allegati/processetti for the 1847 marriage of Maria Antonia and Leonardo. It is interesting though that it is doesn't mention his wife's name (Maria Beglia) although I have seen this before in Potenza province? Anyways, it would be good to find other records to confirm that this is the correct Death Record and that his mother's name was Teresa D'Ursi. We know from Maria Antonia's birth record that Domenico's father was Francesco so that is correct.

Angela