looking for information about Martino Bottino

[Gonzabraz]

Hello to everyone, I'm looking for information about my great-great-grandfather Martin Bottino Amoretti born in 1813 in Lago Di Como, son of Leonardo and Cecilia Amoretti.
He lived until 98 years old and had 13 children. These data appear in the certificate of his death in 1911.

He emigrated to South America, presumably first to Brazil and then Uruguay.
The story that I had heard from my parents and uncles is that he had fought alongside Giuseppe Garibaldi, but we do not know if in Brazil in the Ragamuffin War (1835-1845) or in Uruguay in the Great War. (1839-1851)

In 1855 his first son was born, Pedro who was my great-grandfather.

I appreciate any information that helps to learn more about his life.

[suanj]

Hi, but you are sure abt the birthplace, some commune near Como's lake? You can show the document here? Because the two surnames, Bottino and Amoretti are of Imperia province mainly (Oneglia town or Diano Castello or Diano Marina towns, or some commune near)r and this could match with the rumor about Garibaldi, because Garibaldi was born in Nizza(Nice), no far one from other, abt 1 hour by car..
Just to ask, because the main option is Imperia province, and the second Cuneo province, but no Como province.. Thinking that Martino was born in 1813, maybe his parents had some other child, it is possible that... maybe born before or after of Martino, right? Well however some sibling could be died after 1866 but no one came up, on ancestry.it the civil records are indexed and transcribed, and nothing... these two surnames don't are populars in the Como province.

[Gonzabraz]

hello! thanks for answering...
it is possible that the last name Bottino is a deformation of Bottini, who is originally from Menaggio in the Lake Como area?
In any case, the only source of information is what one of his sons declared on the death certificate in 1911.

[suanj]

Ok: Lago di Como is italian spelling of Como's lake. Many communes on the shores of the lake. But the lake is divided into two branches, one of which pertains to the province of Como and one of current province of Lecco. Initially Lecco was not a province, it became so in 1992, partly taking some municipalities in the province of Como and partly some municipalities in the province of Bergamo. Therefore, indicating "Lake Como" as the birthplace at that time means including some municipalities also in the current province of Lecco and which are on the shore of lake.

[Gonzabraz]

Thanks for the clarification, it's a shame not to have more detailed information about which town he was born in.
It is possible that he had other siblings but I do not know that information.
Almost all the records that I have reviewed are from 1860 onwards and at that time Martino Bottino was already living in Uruguay married with children.

[suanj]

my intelligence refuses to believe that he was originally from some municipality on Lake Como, because wherever I have searched I have not found a single BOTTINO o AMORETTI. I don't know who and why wrote Lago di Como but searching in that area is a waste of time. So I prefer to follow my nose trying to help you, but it's not easy. As you know, some descendants of Martino Bottino went to Brazil, to Rio Grande do Sul. Others remained in Uruguay. In the same area of Rio Grande do Sul I searched if there were others with the surname Bottino or Amoretti. I found one of them from Diano Marina, in the province of Imperia. And it is in that area that both surnames are together in the same Municipality and my intuition was that Martino was from Oneglia precisely. Because when Italians emigrated, they accompanied themselves with relatives or friends from the same area of origin to help each other in case of need. Therefore, considering that the online church records start from 1805, there are many years left and precisely from 1813 to 1837 and then from 1859 to 1865, I searched what is available and in 1813 Martino is not there. No to Diano Marina, no to Porto Maurizio, no to Oneglia (these two cities then merged and formed a single city called IMPERIA which is also the provincial capital. I assure you that it had a large emigration to South America well before 1880). Also in the table of births from 1785 to 1805 Martino is not, obviously.. They are only indexes, the documents are missing. And what a surprise to find a Tomaso Gio Batta Michele BOTTINO son of Leonardo and Giulia (not Cecilia) born on May 9, 1799
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 71/LPv6YxY. Since I don't have the possibility of looking for marriages to find out Giulia's maiden surname, I looked for something else, until I found a death of Brigida Bottino in 1849, daughter of Giovanni Bottino and Catterina GUGLIELMO. In 1851 a child died: Martino BOTTINO Brigida's little brother.

And in 1845, on April 22, Vittorio BOTTINO, 14 years old, son of the late Leonardo and Tecla MUSSO. There was only one Leonardo Bottino that I found by searching the registers and he could be the same father of Tomaso. But the mother does not match but I can think that she is the second wife. Because Vittorio was a boy so he had it in old age. I would like to search the deaths since 1866 but there are no indexes at least not in the early years. Why do I think Oneglia could be the city of birth?

Because the two surnames are present in Oneglia. There is a Leonardo Bottino. And a Giovanni Bottino had a stillborn infant named Martino BOTTINO. Martino BOTTINO is a rare name. A coincidence? I don't think so because it was usual for brothers or relatives who loved each other very much to call a son with the same name as their brother or relative emigrated, like always having him close by.
This is just an opinion of mine that I can't prove at the moment, but the Archive of Imperia keeps both the military draft lists and the military records of male births since 1792. Unfortunately, they're not online otherwise I would have searched. The archivist maybe, if you write, can make a search abt Martino Bottino in the leverage list.
This my rational suggestion, just because I cannot believe that he was born in some municipality on Como Lake coast.. It is impossible, second my experience.
Regards,
suanj

[Gonzabraz]

I really appreciate the effort and time you put into the search. The record is very interesting and while looking in it, I found a 'Leonardo Bottini' born in 1793, son of Leonardo e Giulia. Could he be Martino's father? he would have been 20 years old when Martino was born in 1813.

[suanj]

Hi I missed this your find, young Leonardo. However abt Giovanni BOTTINO, who lost the little Brigida and little Martino, maybe my suggestion was right, because I found his death on 1888 and he was 70 old, so born around 1817. And he was the son of late Leonardo and of Cecilia Dondero.. But the wife of Leonardo sr was Giulia on the birth of Tomaso on 1799, I read well? Cecilia now and unreadable maiden name,
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 72/wkeVEGp
I am positive that the area is this of Martino's birth. As in other states, death records are always less accurate than birth records, because the birth record gives an identity and therefore has value for the future of a person's life, the death record identifies him and concludes life, and often they were not very accurate because the informants did not know well, in detail the data of the deceased but only the name, age and sometimes even that wrong, name of the spouse and address....
I wish to find some trace who join my idea to your Martino... But it is hard..
regards,
suanj