Is this the same couple?

[darkerhorse]

Did the Innocenzio Caci of the marriage record happen to name his first son Gerlando and his first daughter Maria Assunta?

[darkerhorse]

If yes, that's more circumstantial evidence.

[lyn1982]

Thank you for the info - I posted for full translation - and got this - so it is definitely not the same couple as Mastracchio/Pavia had children born after 1882. And the fathers name apparently was Francesco, not Innocenzio, at least thats what 2 people told me on reddit.

1 Jul 1882 - at house number 1, Via Porta Romana in Veroli: after receiving a request on behalf of Domenico Mastracci son of Felice, who was in danger of death and wanted to be married and legitimize a natural child, the official and his secretary traveled to the house to marry the said Domenico Mastracci, single, age 31, born and residing in Veroli, son of Felice, age 64, and of Salome Quattrociocchi; and Maria Salome Caci, single, age 24, born and residing in Veroli, daughter of Francesco, age 63, and of Candida Ranzi(?).

Supporting records - groom's birth record (born 11 May 1852 in Veroli) and bride's birth record (born 16 May 1859 in Veroli)

The spouses declared that from their union was born a son to be legitimized; his birth was registered 29 Nov 1880 with the name Francesco. The mother was not named on the birth record and the bride declared that she was the mother.

The groom did not sign because he was too weak, and the bride did not sign because she was illiterate.

Francesco's birth: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 30/LqqvBMm

Domenico's death (3 Sep 1882): https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 15/0JEVDK2

[darkerhorse]

The name on the record could be Francesco. You should ask others.

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 42/wEAzGJK

[darkerhorse]

The name on the record could be Francesco. You should ask others.

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 42/wEAzGJK

[lyn1982]

Thanks. I don't know if I'll get anywhere though researching it - and apparently the surname for Martorana/Caci marriage isn't Caci but Paci so it can't be related.

I'm about to give up here cause everything seems like a deadend and I got the ancestry dna thing where you can see how matches match each other - and I was looking at my DNA matches and multiple of the Fradella/Muscato ones are matching to the Martorana/Falzone ones from anywhere between 24 to 123cms.....I do not even see any connection between the Martorana/Falzone and the Fradella/Muscato matches in their trees. The two that match each other 123cms - I should definitely be finding a connection between them as 3rd cousins of some sort at least but there isn't any. If I can't find the connection between two people matching 123cms to each other I don't see how I'm ever gonna figure out my ggfs ancestry.

[darkerhorse]

So it was a false alarm.

Maybe someone will help with genetic genealogy.

[lyn1982]

Yeah Maybe. I will have to double check everything first to see if I missed something. But then this means all my ggf's PE ancestry comes from 1 line. Which isn't possible unless the parents met in Rome - which means I should be finding a line in Rome that gives closer or at least similar matches to the 40-48cmish ones I have that stayed in PE. My previous theory was mother was sent to distant relative in Rome to give birth but obviously that can't be true if only one parent was from PE.