Research - Need Advice

[mhamilton]

Ahh... thank you!

I had found Jessie and Josephine in the orphanage record previously. I asked my grandfather if he knew anything about it, and he told me that he had heard from his mother Clara, that they were very poor and had so many children that they couldn't support them all at that time. So the local orphanage run by the church took the twins to feed them until Charles and Mary Grace were able to take them back.

But I didn't manage to find the brothers, that's an incredible find! I'm very excited. Thank you!

- Maria

[mhamilton]

I think Robert might be Roy Mangus maybe. I found his draft card.

And I think my mother has a picture of Roy's grave in New York, next to other Mangus'.

Checking with my mother tomorrow

This is really exciting!

Thank you

[suanj]

oh yes, it could be Roy!
a question:
if Charles and Mary grace married abt 1886 in Italy, sound strange that Anna first daughter born in 1894... after 8 years of marriage.... maybe they married in USA? you waht think?
suanj

[mhamilton]

Hrm, I don't know.

In the 1900 and 1910 census they had columns for children, where they said number born, and the number currently living. In 1900 they said they had 8 children/7 living. In 1910 they said they had 12 children/11 living.

In the 1900 census the 7 living children were: Francis, Frank, Anna (? not sure where she was), Josephine (orphanage), Jessie (orphanage), Mary and Clara

In the 1910 census the 11 living children were: Francis (living with her husband?), Frank, Anna, Josephine, Jessie, Mary, Clara, Charles, Anthony, Gertrude, Agnes

They stopped asking that on the 1920 census, I think.

Francis is the oldest listed as being born in 1886. I bet she was married in 1910 and living with her husband. All of the children are listed as birthplace New York, so maybe they had a child who died in Italy, then they came either together.

Also, maybe while she pregnant before they got married. She was studying to be a nun and Charles was the gardener and talked to her thru the gate. My family also tells the story that he talked her into being married. Maybe they were a little too friendly and that's why she left the convent.

Just guessing ... good question too. The ages made me wonder.

I spent hours trying to find a ship into New York with anyone named Maria, or Grazia, or Maria Grazia that seemed likely, but its just too hard to know without a surname I think.

Thanks!

- Maria

[suanj]

oh yes in 1900 census they was married from 15 years, so abt in 1885... right!
suanj

[nuccia]

I'm following this thread and wow..suanj, you are amazing!

Maria, can't wait to see what else you all can come up with..

[mhamilton]

Talked to my mother today ...

Robert is Roy it seems. And ... interestingly (to me anyway), The brothers Charles and Roy married sisters ... which would mean that Pauline and Mary Grace would have the same surname if we could figure out what it was. So since I haven't had much luck finding Mary Grace's surname, now I can try to track it down via Pauline!

Also, my mother confirmed that Charles took a work ship and was gone nearly 5 years seperated from Mary Grace before she came to join him which is why there is a gap in the children's ages.

So making some progress. Just have to try to find Pauline now I guess. Thanks for all help!

- Maria

[suanj]

interesting......... in any case, if Roy is the brother of Charles,

and having the Roy birthdate (3 apr 1874) by WWI draft registration card,

a first search is possible in Valledolmo civil record office, (or by LDS microfilms), so you can know, through this record, the Roy'smother surname also,

and having this, after, you can ask the Calogero/Charles (because you don't know the righ birthdate, but only the probable birthyear: 1865 circa, well and because it are so much Mancuso, only providing almost the probable birthyear, and with certainty, the name parents they can find the right birthrecord of Charles, and because also, he married in Italy, in the birthact it are the marriage note and the complete wife name).. however by census Calogero/Charles is born in Nov 1864, and Grace in Feb 1864

regards, suanj

[mhamilton]

What would Pauline's name be in Italian?

I'll try the LDS stuff first to find Roy.

Thanks!

[vj]

Maria,
It's pretty late in Italy, suanj may
not still be up...
Valarie

Italian First Names

[misbris]

Paolina is Italian for Pauline

[mhamilton]

Thanks VJ and MisBris!

[mhamilton]

I spent a lot of time trying to find arrivals into NY for a Paolina with limited success. Since I don't know who she travelled with or a surname I'm a bit stumped.

I think she must have married Roy when she was about 16 years old, because the 1910 census said they were married for 14 years, and she was 30 at the time. Which makes me wonder if they were married in the U.S. and not in Sicily. Does anyone know a way to check marriage records for Northern New York state in the 1890s? It seems like they all settled in Chautauqua county area.

If I was going to write to Sicily for the civil records at Valledolmo, as Suanj suggested, what address do I use?

And can you point me to a place where I can take a stab at the Italian and then hopefully post here for any corrections of mistakes I make?

Lastly, do I send a self addressed and properly stamped envelope or something? How do I do that for valid Italian mail service? Or am I lucky and there's an email address for Valledolmo records?

Thanks again so much!

- Maria

[suanj]

Pauline is Paolina in italian spell, as misbris saying, but Paolina is the diminutive of Paola female first name( Paolo= male) so maybe you can search by Paola, regards, suanj

[suanj]

Valledolmo civil records office:

Ufficio di Stato Civile
Via Chiavetta, 1
90029 Valledolmo (Pa)
Italy

email: info @ comune.valledolmo.pa.it ( NO SPACES)
I think that you can write a email, initially, and to wait a bit of time, if they don't reply, or the email address don't work, well you can write a normal letter....
you can write here the txt in english, and we will translate for you, maybe with some correction for better understand...

regards, suanj