Aborted Voyage

tbottegal · Post by **tbottegal** » 01 Dec 2003, 21:43

Peter/Suanj

My father told me that soon after he left Italy (probably late summer 1919) the ship sank or ran aground. They were rescued and taken to Sardinia (or Corsica), then back to the mainland. It was 6 months before they could get another ship to take them to the US.

Is there any way to discover some details about the ship that sank? Since it never got to Ellis Island, those records don't help.

Thanks,
T. Bottegal

suanj · Post by **suanj** » 02 Dec 2003, 18:46

Hi: please visit http://www.theshipslist.com/
using the search engine are many vessels run or sunk.. regards, suanj

tbottegal · Post by **tbottegal** » 08 Dec 2003, 18:28

Hi Suanj,

Thanks for your reply. I had not seen that site before.

They seem to show mostly ships to/from England, and mostly in the 1800's. I found many hits using the search, but none for the area and year I am interested in (Genoa, summer 1920).

If you come across any other information that might help, please let me know.

Thanks again,
- TBottegal

ptimber · Post by **ptimber** » 08 Dec 2003, 19:46

Do you have the name of the ship? Peter

tbottegal · Post by **tbottegal** » 08 Dec 2003, 22:13

Hi Peter,

No, I do not know the name of the ship (my father was only 8; his mother died shortly after arriving), nor even the exact date of departure (my message above should have said 'late summer 1919'). My only thought is to find a list of shipping companies (Genoa to Ellis) active during that period and see if they still have records.

Any other ideas appreciated.

Thanks,
TBottegal

ptimber · Post by **ptimber** » 09 Dec 2003, 01:01

The listings usually go by ships names. Sorry Peter

suanj · Post by **suanj** » 09 Dec 2003, 05:42

Hi: in this sea's area are many sinks vessel , but I found this in 1920:
Ship: Memphis, sink with shipwreck in 1920 or 1921, history remembered from old inhabitants of the place.....sea area:Capo Carbonara-Sardegna south (n. 45, Istituto Idrografico della Marina), to east Capo Carbonara are property left at death dangerous for navigation and/or fishes between which one to depth of approximately 50 meters.
More: The S.Giorgio cargo off Capo Spartivento (Sardegna) 1920 http://www.sportesport.it/wrecks010so.htm
Others ship sinks all Tirreno sea
http://www.sportesport.it/wrecks004li.htm
http://www.sportesport.it/wrecks003co.htm
http://www.sportesport.it/wrecks008sa.htm
http://www.sportesport.it/wrecks005ty.htm
http://www.sportesport.it/wrecks006ti.htm
http://www.sportesport.it/wrecks009si.htm

Regards, suanj

ptimber · Post by **ptimber** » 09 Dec 2003, 17:43

There is no record for the San Girogio sinking or grounding but in 1921 it was renamed Napoli and was used before and after as immigrant ship so that may mean it was re floated and sold to another company. Peter

suanj · Post by **suanj** » 09 Dec 2003, 18:48

Peter: there are many San Giorgio ship..please this is website professional skin-divers...they say that there is a property left at death, of a ship, than San Giorgio called, and that she is sunk in 1920... http://www.sportesport.it/wrecks010so.htm

suanj

ptimber · Post by **ptimber** » 10 Dec 2003, 00:20

Your San Giorgio was a cargo ship not a passenger liner and The San Giorgio was in immigrant transport in those days which makes it plausible that the San Giorgio renamed napoli was the ship. Peter

suanj · Post by **suanj** » 10 Dec 2003, 05:46

it can be, however in those links are all ships sunk in Tyrrhenian sea..

suanj

ptimber · Post by **ptimber** » 10 Dec 2003, 15:11

I know they sunk but your San Girogio was a cargo ship..it carried no passengbers only merchandise. The passengber liner San Giorgio was changed to Napoli in 1921 and was first owned by the Sicula Italiano line and then sold to another italian company to continue in the transatlantic immigrant trade. Peter

suanj · Post by **suanj** » 10 Dec 2003, 15:15

Ok Peter, I have only reported to information on sunk ships...

suanj

tbottegal · Post by **tbottegal** » 12 Dec 2003, 23:26

Hi Suanj & Peter,

Thanks for another link and the ideas. One or two of the ships are close enough to look at in more detail.

The last website you mentioned is for scuba divers - they would only list those ships where 1) its location on the ocean floor was known and 2) it has not been raised for salvage.

I will try to locate the shipping companies and see if they still have records after all these years. Even the companies my be gone at this point.

- Tom

ptimber · Post by **ptimber** » 13 Dec 2003, 00:25

The sunk ship is a cargo ship. They did not carry passengers, particurally, immigrants so I would not even concentrate on finding the company since the ship was alread scrapped and all those records are not available. Peter