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[BillieDeKid]

Biff that's a great site!

[jamiestew]

Pink yes that is her...she was married to Silvio Valente....now if I only knew her maiden name...I could find my GGG Grandmothers name and go from there. Then I could possibly find the police officer my GGG Grandmother was married to, by the way BIFF awsome work. Again you guys amaze me!!!! Thanks

[jamiestew]

Pink yes that is her...she was married to Silvio Valente....now if I only knew her maiden name...I could find my GGG Grandmothers name and go from there. Then I could possibly find the police officer my GGG Grandmother was married to, by the way BIFF awsome work. Again you guys amaze me!!!! Thanks

[suanj]

Hi, maybe we can know more by Carmela/Helena VITO b.1918 circa, and on your genealogic tree
http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/person.asp ... 1947054992
married at Thomas Populardo; the surname spelling is wrong, because PAPPALARDO is right spell; well from this I searched and

Thomas (Gaetano) Pappalardo
Born: 27 Jul 1913
Massachusettes
Died: 30 Dec 1991
San Jose, CA

married at: Helena Vito Pappalardo

Children:
L Pappalardo- Giordano
Living Pappalardo
L Pappalardo- Sharrott
50–
M Pappalardo- Dimanto
1935–1976
I believe that this is Helena VITO daughter of James and Florence Vito
http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/person.asp ... 1505016710

I believe that 2 children are born in Alameda, the other 2 in Santa Clara, so from my search... I believe right family....
and for to go back until Carmela Di Gora (?) I believe that are necessary more steps...
to find the birth record in California of Carmela/Helena VITO and sure it will be also the mother maiden name.... or the marriage record also... if we can know the Florence and Angelina maiden name, we can find more, especially the arrivals... when we find this record it will be easy to know abt the parents...
I know that is a long search, but I searched the ship's manifest under various keys of Di Gora spelling and frankly... the spelling it is wrong .. completely... so it is necessary a deep search... also
I cannot find the death record of Helena PAPPALARDO but I found a:

Carmela PAPPALARDO
Birth Date: 14 Aug 1914
Death Date: 12 Dec 2005
Social Security Number: 547-05-6115
State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: California

Death Residence Localities
ZIP Code: 95123
Localities: San Jose, Santa Clara, California


the birthyear don't match but the death place yes... however it is probable also that Helena living..... but from rumor family, what you know abt italian birtharea of Angelina and Florence....? VITO is a surname of south Italy.... the Di Gora spellig could be also DI JORIO (with J).. it is the same pronounce of DI IORIO in italian language, but I believe is no the same in english... also the other suggestions in the replies could be corrects...

Carmela DI GORA sure decesead enter 1920 and 1930 in Oakland, CA... you have the her death record? I wish help you, but frankly this wrong surname is a mystery... for me...the 1920 census don't help for the spelling... and also it is possible that Di Gora was Carmela maiden name.... good luck, regards, suanj

[jamiestew]

My Aunt Helena is still living. I did aske her the maiden name of her mother (Floreance) and she wasnt clear on it, she is quite old. But that that would be my next step to contact her again and see if she could help any. Thanks so much for your work I will keep you all posted and keep searching.

[jamiestew]

Yes Pink that is Angelina. It seems they came to America alot earlier than most Italians. Can we some how find her marriage stats. I will check that website you gave me. Thanks

[jamiestew]

Ok so I was looking at the census you posted that stated Angelina had a nephew living with her last name Vellione. I wonder if he was the son of Floreance some how. Maybe he was the policemans son. I know she remarried Jim Vito after the policeman was killed. I think I will searc that avenue. I had a conversation once with Aunt Helena (daughter of Floreance)and she mentioned the last name Vellione.

[suanj]

Perahps I found something:

starting from
1910 United States Federal Census
about Joseph Vellione
Name: Joseph Vellione
[Joseph Villione]
Age in 1910: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Nephew
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Home in 1910: Schenectady Ward 2, Schenectady, New York Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1904
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Silvio Valentine 34
Angeline 24
Joseph Vellione 11
Antony Batiston 31
Lucy Batiston 26
Constantine Batiston 8/12

well the surname Vellione/Villione is sure wrong, so I searched abt the probable right italian spelling: VIGLIONE
and I found:
Giuseppe VIGLIONE born in Petrella, Italy, age 8 in 1906, travelling with Marianna DI TORO age 56 in 1906, also from Petrella and she and the nephew ( or grandson) joining at Silvio VALENTE son in law in 216 front st, Schenectady, NY
http://ellisisland.org/search/shipmanif ... 2254040211

abt Joseph VIGLIONE:

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Joseph Viglione
Name: Joseph Viglione
City: Schenectady
County: Schenectady
State: New York
Birthplace: Italy
Birth Date: 24 May 1897
Roll: 1818985
DraftBoard: 3

birthtown: Campobasso, Italy; no right: Petrella Tifernina town, Campobasso province, Italy....
DI TORO surname is the maiden name of Marianna/aka Carmela

I believe that from this data will be possible to know more by LDS microfilms
Italy, Campobasso, Petrella Tifernina - Civil registration

Registri dello stato civile, 1809-1910 Petrella Tifernina (Campobasso). Ufficio dello stato civile

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... umns=*,0,0

you can know the birthdate of Marianna/carmela DI TORO, the marriage and the children data....
best regards, suanj

[pink67]

WOW!!! Grande SuanJ, complimenti!

And then, in the 1930 census about Silvio Valente, wife Angelina and child there is undere a fwe lines a Carmela Viglione age 82, wd, mother in law of Merril William.....
Possible was Carmela Di Toro......

here is the link to the manifest:

1930 United States Federal Census
about Carmela Viglione
Name: Carmela Viglione
Home in 1930: Oakland, Alameda, California
Age: 82
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Mother-in-law
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Merritt 58
Ruth Baradino 1 7/12
Carmela Viglione 82

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Laura

[suanj]

Dear Laura, yes it is the same person, this is also my idea... Marianna/Carmela DI TORO married at ..... ? Viglione; now the better thing is to find Angelina Viglione ship's manifest... for Florence... I think no true her italian first name... sure she changed it in the USA.... waiting the reply of jamiestew, after we can search more... kisses, suanj

[pink67]

Ops..... Sorry... duplicate post.....

[suanj]

maybe this is Angelina VIGLIONE arrival:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Angiola Viglione
Name: Angiola Viglione
Arrival Date: 25 Sep 1903
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Age: 19
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Sicilian Prince
Search Ship Database: Search the Sicilian Prince in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 5
Microfilm Serial: 15
Microfilm Roll: T715_397
Page Number: 166

joining at Alessandro SCIACCA(or similar) in Schenectady, NY.....
suanj

[jamiestew]

Wow..amazing work. I have a few thoughts but as it is 6 am here where I live I need to reply back after I get my daughters off to school. I am very excited and will be back soon!!!

[MysteryMike]

Can someone summarize.... I'm lost between tomorrow and yesterday, between now and then...

Mike

[vj]

WOW!
What fantastic finds suanj & Laura!

I think this summary is pretty close?
Valarie

Mother
Carmela Marianna DI TORO Viglione
1906 manifest: Marianna di Toro joining s-i-l Silvio Valente
Born abt 1845-1850
Locations
1920 Schenectady, Schenectady, NY (w/Valente)
1930 Oakland Alameda CA (w/Valente & Merritt?)

Daughters
Florence VIGLIONE
Born abt 1882
2nd husband James Vito
Locations:
1920 & 1930 Oakland, Alameda CA

Angelina VIGLIONE
Born abt 1886
Died 9 Jul 1940 in Alameda County
Husband Silvio Valente
Locations:
1910 & 1920 Schenectady, Schenectady, NY
1930 Oakland Alameda CA

Grandson from 1906 manifest
Giuseppe VIGLIONE
Born 1897