Italian names?

[warriorrabbit]

Anyone have a guess for an Anglicized Valerio?

[misbris]

Valeriano and Valerio are Italian versions of the Latin, Valerian, who was a Roman emperor. There was also a St. Valerian. There is also an herb called valerian. That is the English translation also. English nickname could be Val.

Feminine is Valerie, but could also be spelled Valarie. Right, vj?

[vj]

Valeriano and Valerio are Italian versions of the Latin, Valerian, who was a Roman emperor. There was also a St. Valerian. There is also an herb called valerian. That is the English translation also. English nickname could be Val.

Feminine is Valerie, but could also be spelled Valarie. Right, vj?

Absolutely!
Valarie (vj)

[PeterTimber]

female is Valeria (www.gens.labo.it) =Peter=

[misbris]

Hey Peter,

You are right about the Italian or Latin name, but I was giving the English version.

[warriorrabbit]

Yes, I was just looking for an English equivalent of Valerio. Looking for a relative last seen at 7 in NYC on the 1930 census. Valarie seems...well, I guess anything's possible. Vincent? Val? Honestly, we don't even know if they stayed here or went back. He's a missing half-sibling. Just wondering what we should be looking for, as Valerio doesn't seem to be working for us.

Although, related to my other post in immigration -- it looks like he may have been naturalized in 1934. If that's what the scribbling means.

[PeterTimber]

Hope you came thru the earthquake sans cracked plaster and all OK....Now what can we do to assist you if at all??? We are indeed a clever bunch!! =Peter=

[warriorrabbit]

Yes, fine, thanks for asking. I didn't think it was all that bad, but I'm a native and kind of used to the occasional shake. The transplants, they freak out.

I know you're a clever bunch, you've helped me many times. I think we might be stuck in limbo, though, because the last record we have is the 1930 census, when Valerio was 7, with a naturalization scribble from 1934.

It's also possible they returned to Italy. If they did, I don't know how we'd find them there. If they stayed, we're not finding them in the white pages, either. At least not as Valerio Pascale, who would be about 85 now. If we have to wait for the 1940 census to confirm they stayed...Ugh.

[Natalina30]

Hi,

It about Valerio Pascale. I'm not sure that is related to you but is a chance that a take to give you the information I found in Ellis Island.

First name: Valerio
Last name: Pascale
Ethnicity: Italian
Last place of residence: S. Lucia, Italy
Date of arrival: Apr 19, 1924
Age at arrival: 1 Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of travel: Lapland
Port of travel: Naples
Manifest line number: 0005

http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/searc ... 1036010168&


If you look the line 0002 to 0005 I thing they are related to each other.

Natalina30

[warriorrabbit]

Hi,

Yes, thanks, we have that already. That's where I got the naturalization date of 1934. (The notations on the first page of the manifest.) I also have him on the 1930 census.

We just don't know if he stayed here after 1934. They may have returned to Italy.

Thanks for looking!

T.

[PeterTimber]

Dear warriorrabbit had he returned to Italy he would have been drafted with WW11 looming on the horizon, more readily than in peace time. If you let me have the province I will give you the address for military records address. If there is a record he went home and if there is no record he stayed..or so one would think? =peter=

[dalbino83]

Cathy asked why Vincenzo was shortened to Jimmy.

As I understand it, the familiar form of Vincenzo is Cenz ("chenz"), which sounds more like James than any other American name.

Donna

[PeterTimber]

whatever the reason for this anomoly, much like Pasquale=Patsy and several others which escape me, it makes for folklore! =Peter=

[warriorrabbit]

Re: Valerio, he is my cousin's half-brother. Their father was a doctor. Her mother and the doctor divorced around 1932, when my cousin was a toddler.

My family is full of...embellishers...so we never quite know what to do with what they tell us. As my cousin says of one great aunt, one would always take what she said and cut it in half.

Having said that, she was told her father, the doctor, 'had' to return to Italy and was killed in the war. Could be true, or maybe it was just a story. Even if the doctor father returned, we aren't sure what happened to the brother, Valerio. I guess he would have been old enough to serve in WWII, also as he was born circa 1923.

My cousin was told Carmine, the father, was from Abruzzi, but his manifest says he is from Satriano di Lucania, in Potenza. As that's where his mother was living (manifest) and he went to school at the University of Naples, I think we'd go with that over the sketchy details provided by our unreliable relatives.