Looking for info on my greatgrandparents

[vj]

Possible manifest for Angela?

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0012

p2
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0012

A couple of clues on the 1913 manifest that mj found for Angela

- possible naturalization notation: 23-114585 6/10/42 (23=Los Angeles)
guide to notations: http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/manifests/occ/
- leaving father Giuseppe in Marsala
- joining uncle Agostino Agate at 194 Vermont Street Brooklyn
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There was a Detained page for Angela Licari on a different website (ancestry. com, subscription)

http://a.imageshack.us/img714/7236/1913j.jpg
SS America, 11 Nov 1913, Palermo to NY
line 105
Angela Licari
To uncle (being held for release to her uncle)
Released 11 Nov at 3:55 P to her Aunt Francesca Salena (probably Salerno - maiden name), 194 Vermont Street Brooklyn
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guide to manifest markings:
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/manifests/

[krissy]

Hi VJ and MJ

Here is an update for you. Yes Angela came to the states to meet her uncle and aunt. And yes her father's name was was Giuseppe. Salvatore and Angela were not married prior to coming to the states. So it looks like we have found the right documentation on both of my g-grandparents. My grandfather said he can not remember the uncles name that she went to stay with, and back in those times they did not discuss things with children like they do now. He does however remember a uncle Jack Licari so I am going to see if I can find anything on him. Thank you both for all the valuable help and leads you have given to me!!

krissy

[vj]

Krissy , thank you so much for the update.
Let us know if you need any help with records on subscription only sites.
Valarie

[krissy]

Hi Valarie,

If it would not be too much trouble could you run Jack Licari's name through anything you have. He was most likely born in Italy the 1880's I do not have exact dates. I can tell you he did end up moving to Los Angeles California and was married to Jenny. He did die in California I do know this for a fact because as a child I used to go see him and Aunt Jenny, but I cant seem to find anything on him.

[suanj]

Hi Krissy
Welcome to the forum!
We can help direct you on how to find records in Italy if you know the comune (town) where your g-grandparents were born.
If it's not on your g-grandfather's ship manifest, it may be on one of his US records.
Do you need help locating any US records?
Thank you,
Valarie
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found this Nov 1900 manifest
but this Salvatore Fasone was joining his wife in Kansas City

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0013

You are right Valarie; this Salvatore Fasone was married at Ignazia and by 1920 census both was living in Kansas City


1920 United States Federal Census
about Salvatore Fasone
Name: Salvatore Fasone
Home in 1920: Kansas City Ward 5, Jackson, Missouri
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse's name: Ignazia
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Year of Immigration: 1888
[1885]
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Salvatore Fasone 41
Ignazia Fasone 39
Agostino Fasone 18
Francesco Fasone 16
Theresa Fasone 13
Vincenzo Fasone 10
Joe Fasone 8
Antonino Fasone 4
Giovanni Fasone 1
[1 4/12]


so cannot be the Salvatore Fasone married at Angela Licari....
suanj

[suanj]

here the naturalization of Salvatore:
Selected U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1966 (Indexed in World Archives Project)
about Salvatore Fasone
Name: Salvatore Fasone
Birth Date: 14 Nov 1878
Birth Place: Italy
Age at event: 47
Place of Residence: Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, Iowa
Year of Arrival: 1905
Date of Action: 28 Dec 1925
Collection Title: Soundex Index to Naturalization Petitions for the United States District and Circuit Courts, Northern District of Illinois and Immigration and Naturalization Service District 9, 1840-1950 (M1285)
NARA Series #: M1285
Roll #: 54
Roll Description: F-241 through F-356

address in 1925: 311 S Campbell ave
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Salvatore Fasone
Name: Salvatore Fasone
City: Chicago
County: Cook
State: Illinois
Birth Date: 14 Nov 1878
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1503822
DraftBoard: 43

wife: Angela; residence: 847 Morgan st, Chicago, IL

no birth place name, just Italy...
maybe the 1920 census:

1920 United States Federal Census ( dated 20 jan 1920)
about Sam Tasone
Name: Sam Tasone
[Sam Fasone]
Home in 1920: Chicago Ward 19, Cook (Chicago), Illinois
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse's name: Angela
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1907
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Sam Tasone 45
Angela Tasone 30

by naturalization Salvatore arrived in 1905 and no before....
suanj

[suanj]

Hi Valerie,

Thank you for responding so quickly. That is the same record I have as well from Ellis Island. It was very hard for me to read alot of the info on there. My grandfather says that they were married in Italy and when they came to the us the lived in Chicago Illinios then moved to Los Angeles California. I have never heard anything about Kansas City before. Maybe you could tell me how to look up his US records and I can go from there. The annotations on the Ellis Island record names the 5 children they had together but they have mispelled my g-grandmothers name. So now I am not sure if that is the right ship manifest. I do know they lived in Palermo. Any ideas on where to search next?

another possible arrival:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Salvatore Farone
Name: Salvatore Farone [FASONE]
Arrival Date: 28 Mar 1905
Birth Year: abt 1878
Age: 27 Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Palermo
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Il Piemonte
Search Ship Database: Search the Il Piemonte in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database


http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/1448 ... re1905.jpg

-married (???)
-coming from San Cipirello, Palermo province, Sicily, IT
-joining at cousin Francesco ALFANO in Brooklyn, NY
.........
suanj

[vj]

Hi suanj!
Great research on Salvatore Fasone!
Valarie
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... Yes Angela came to the states to meet her uncle and aunt. And yes her father's name was was Giuseppe. Salvatore and Angela were not married prior to coming to the states. So it looks like we have found the right documentation on both of my g-grandparents. My grandfather ... does however remember a uncle Jack Licari ...

... could you run Jack Licari's name through anything you have. He was most likely born in Italy the 1880's I do not have exact dates. I can tell you he did end up moving to Los Angeles California and was married to Jenny. He did die in California I do know this for a fact because as a child I used to go see him and Aunt Jenny, but I cant seem to find anything on him...

Hi Krissy!

Could this record belong to your Jack and Jennie Licari?

CA Death Index at ancestry. com

Name: Jack Licari
Social Security #: 56-212 xxxx
Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 10 May 1897 Birthplace: Other Country
Death Date: 13 Nov 1981 Death Place: Los Angeles
Mother's Maiden Name: Fogia

Name: Jennie Licari [Jennie Rallo]
Social Security #: 37-318 xxxx
Sex: FEMALE
Birth Date: 27 Aug 1915 Birthplace: Michigan
Death Date: 29 Dec 1995 Death Place: Los Angeles
Mother's Maiden Name: Bonomo
Father's Surname: Rallo

[suanj]

... Maybe you could tell me how to look up his US records and I can go from there. ...

This is a great free site:
FamilySearch pilot site

A good start if this record belongs to your family
- the mother's maiden name was Licari(?)

Thanks!
Valarie

http://a.imageshack.us/img529/5444/familysearch.jpg
Name: Giuseppe Fasone
Birth Date: 20 Aug 1920
Birthplace: Chicago
Gender: Male
Father's Name: Salvatore Fasone
Father's Birthplace: Palermo, Italy
Father's Age: 42 (abt 1878)
Mother's Name: Angela Licari
Mother's Birthplace: Marsala, Italy
Mother's Age: 34 (abt 1886)
Film Number: 1309477
Digital Folder Number: 4441802
Image Number: 00411
Reference Number: 59215
Collection: Illinois, Cook County Birth Certificates, 1878-1922

another child:
Name: Joseph Fasone
Titles and Terms (original):
Death Date: 11 Oct 1918
Death Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Gender: Male
Marital Status:
Race or Color:
Age: 0
Estimated Birth Year: 1918
Birth Date: 12 Apr 1918
Birthplace: Chicago, Illinois
Father: Salvatare Fasone
Father's Titles and Terms (original):
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother: Angela Licari
Mother's Titles and Terms (original):
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Occupation:
Residence: Chicago, Illinois
Street Address:
Spouse:
Spouse's Titles and Terms (original):
Spouse's Birthplace:
Burial Date: 11 Oct 1918
Burial Place:
Cemetery: Mt. Carmel
Informant:
Additional Relatives:
Digital Folder Number: 4030806
Image Number: 2446
Film Number: 1852631
Volume/Page/Certificate Number: rn 27424
Collection: Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths, 1916-1947

suanj

[vj]

Jack Licari??

Interesting, this Gioacchino Licari (abt 1898) & his sister Bartolomea (abt 1891) joining Salvatore Fasone (brother-in-law) in Chicago in 1921, leaving father Giuseppe in Marsala
1921 ship manifest
page 2

[suanj]

Great find Valarie!
Hugs,
suanj

[vj]

Thank you suanj!
I thought we may be looking for a 'Giovanni'
If wife Jennie was born in 1915, they may not be together on the 1930 census.
Interesting first name for Gioacchino's sister, maybe she can be found after 1921?
Valarie

[suanj]

Hi Valerie,

Thank you for responding so quickly. That is the same record I have as well from Ellis Island. It was very hard for me to read alot of the info on there. My grandfather says that they were married in Italy and when they came to the us the lived in Chicago Illinios then moved to Los Angeles California. I have never heard anything about Kansas City before. Maybe you could tell me how to look up his US records and I can go from there. The annotations on the Ellis Island record names the 5 children they had together but they have mispelled my g-grandmothers name. So now I am not sure if that is the right ship manifest. I do know they lived in Palermo. Any ideas on where to search next?

another possible arrival:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Salvatore Farone
Name: Salvatore Farone [FASONE]
Arrival Date: 28 Mar 1905
Birth Year: abt 1878
Age: 27 Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Palermo
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Il Piemonte
Search Ship Database: Search the Il Piemonte in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database


http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/1448 ... re1905.jpg

-married (???)
-coming from San Cipirello, Palermo province, Sicily, IT
-joining at cousin Francesco ALFANO in Brooklyn, NY
.........
suanj

maybe the manifest can be right because by familysearch:
Salvatore FASONE-TODARO Pedigree
Male


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth: 14 NOV 1878 San Cipirello,Palermo, , , Italy
Christening: 15 NOV 1878 San Cipirello,Palermo, , , Italy

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: Giuseppe FASONE-TODARO Family
Mother: Francesca AMATO

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the birth date matching ... and the birth place matching with ship's manifest...

suanj

[krissy]

Hi Valarie and Suanj!

You guys are great! In the beginning I was thinking the first manifest for Salvatore in 1900 might be wrong. Thank you for the new direction to investigate. I can tell you for sure the guiseppe and Joseph fasone birth records are 100% for sure my 2 great uncle's. Of course I never met the one that died at 5 months old but the other one we used to go to his house all the time so I know these ones are right. I will let you guys know what I come up with. Thanks so much!!!
Krissy