Surnames shortened by the US.

[onyxshadow13]

Ok I'm a dummy. I have to look at the New York census don't I?

[suanj]

we are searching for you...

[onyxshadow13]

Outstanding!! I wish I could hug you and shake both of your hands. Thank you!!

[adelfio]

This might be the right ship record
Name: Giuseppe Frail
Arrival Date: 1 Dec 1896
Birth Year: abt 1879
Age: 17
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Port of Departure: Genoa, Italy
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Werra
Marty

[onyxshadow13]

Will I have to have the marriage record of my great grandfather and nuna? I am not sure that they ever married... if they did, it was in Italy.

[adelfio]

Maybe ther death certificates would have italian town they where born in.
Marty

[onyxshadow13]

I should be able to find those at the courthouse here correct?

[onyxshadow13]

My mother just said that she remembers the name giuseppe from a story Uncle Tony told years ago. So perhaps that is the manifest Marty.

[Michael31]

name: Joe Frail
event: CENSUS
event date: 1930
event place: Grant, Monongalia, West Virginia
gender: Male
age: 53
marital status: Married
race: White
birthplace: Italy
estimated birth year: 1877
immigration year: 1899
relationship to head of household: Head
father's birthplace: Italy
mother's birthplace: Italy
enumeration district number: 15
family number: 281
sheet number and letter: 13B
line number: 52
nara publication: T626, roll 2548
film number: 2342282
digital folder number: 4547469
image number: 00489
Household Gender Age
Joe Frail M 53
spouse Sarah Frail F 50
child Frank Frail M 25
child Mary Frail F 20
child Pete Frail M 18
child Tony Frail M 17
child Angeline Frail F 10
child Elizabeth Donaldson F 23
Josephine Donaldson F 8
Raymond Donaldson M 2
Betty Donaldson F 0
www.familysearch.org

[misbris]

Here is the manifest that Marty found. I don't know if it is the correct one. Name on Ellis Island says Froil.

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0022

[onyxshadow13]

That is awesome. So what is my next step? Thank you all so much. What a great help you have been.

[onyxshadow13]

And my next question is... will this be enough to prove citizenship? You are all somewhat experts... I don't see the home town on the manifest.

[suanj]

Hi, I know abt the ship's manifest trascribed as Giuseppe Frail.. the ship's manifest is no much readable and Frail surname exist not in Italy... so better to find the censuses 1920 and 1910 and as a well some children births so we can understand better the original italian surname....
just my suggestion,
suanj

[PunzoNewHaven]

Rocky,

Aren't they awesome. The people here are so helpful and so nice.
I lived in WV for awhile, Boone County.

Are you trying to become a citizen or prove they were? I found naturlization papers on ancestry for my ggf, etc.

And my next question is... will this be enough to prove citizenship? You are all somewhat experts... I don't see the home town on the manifest.

[vj]

more clues?
- Original given name may have been Domenico, could have gone by nickname 'Joe'
- In Randolph County, WV in 1920
- Naturalization record should have 'AKA' name he traveled under to US,
possibly naturalized in Randolph county abt 1918, paperwork will also have ship & birth location
- 1910 census should be in WV
Valarie

1920 census
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1188/1920j.jpg

Home in 1920:
Harding, Leadsville, Randolph, West Virginia

?Omaneck (Domenic) Grail (Frail) 45, abt 1875 IT
- immig 1899, Na 1918 (naturalized citizen)
Sarah Grail 38, abt 1882 IT
- immig 1901
Frank Grail 16, abt 1904 NY
Mary Grail 12, abt 1908 WV
Pete Grail 9
Tony Grail 8
Bernadine Grail 5
Josephine Grail 3 6/12
Angeline Grail 8/12